Bad Joke

I haven’t had much time to post as of late, and the next few months are going to get even more hectic for me, even as the PLP Leadership contest gets underway. All the same, I got an email when I got home from work concerning the Premier’s office opening a police investigation against the BIAW forum for a ‘threatened assasination’. The email was from the RG, and I understand other bloggers will probably have been asked for their responses too. I thought I may as well post my entire response here as a post, as no doubt only a few excerpts may be printed. It is only a first response, and I’ll probably write more about it later – and no doubt get some flak from all sides for my comments as it is.

My Response To The BIAW Assasination Investigation

When people post with their identities hidden, it’s kind of like Lord of the Flies, where the kids put on the war paint and this allowed them to express their more savage side, liberated from restrictions of social mores. I think that explains a big part of it. I do post on that site, but I do think it provides a unique insight into what I regard as the White Bermudian psyche. Of course there are non-Whites that post there, and even pro-PLPers; in general the site is apolitical in the sense that it is not officially partisan. It is however only as partisan or neutral as its members, and the vast majority of Bermudian bloggers are, for some reason, I believe, White and male. And that is reflected on that site – it often comes across as adolescent and chauvinist towards women, and it does serve as an expression of White fear in Bermuda. And yes, it does serve as a place for many to just blow off some steam and fantasise.

I do post there, but I haven’t posted much for the last few months. A small part of that is that I’m just busy at the moment overseas, but a much bigger part is that I got fed up with the White fear that is crystallised there. There are some others who keep up the fight, but I just don’t have the energy there right now.

Now this particular comment, it is stupid and distasteful. I don’t have time for such comments and I do think it invites attacks and misrepresents things. It is unhelpful for dialouge, that is for sure. Do I think they person was serious? No. Do I think the person was stupid and an idiot? Yes. Do I think the PLP has better things to do? Yes.

When I say PLP I should qualify it by saying ‘some of the PLP’.

As I was saying though, yes, to the letter of the law the Premier is right to investigate something like this. In common sense law though, as disgusting a comment as it was, I don’t think anyone really sees it as anything more than an idle bad joke, and many more people are going to say they would much rather have police resources being used to deal with the current gangwar and not have them tied up in something like this. It also opens the Party up to accusations of trying to distract from more serious issues, and some may say that, surely, Party members should have much more pressing issues to deal with than perusing blogs like the one in question.

Personally, my thinking is that you shouldn’t say/do anything online that you aren’t prepared to put your name too and suffer the consequences – kind of a treat others as you would expect to be treated in kind. I find jokes like the one in question quite poor taste, and this is hardly the first time something like this has occured. I remember a chef making some joke about poisoning the Premier’s food, for example, and there was consequences to that.

So yes, bad taste, very bad joke, something one shouldn’t even joke about, but at the same time I do think the energy and resources of the PLP, the Cabinet Office and the Police would probably be better used dealing with these shootings, ongoing racial inequalities and the education system.

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28 thoughts on “Bad Joke

  1. One of the issues here is humour.

    It’s a complex thing. What makes Jonathan laugh, may not make me laugh – and vice versa. I am sure, for example, Jonathan will understand it if I say that I find the thought of him freezing his butt off in an Edinburgh winter seriously funny.

    Others couldn’t find humour in that thinking – if they tried.

    We laugh for all sorts of reasons – sometimes because of nervousness, sometimes because we simply see it as funny.

    It would be a very strange world if we all either laughed at, or didn’t laugh at – the same things.

    The comments on the Forum where not a plan to assassinate the Premier. Should death – or reference to it – be a subject of humour? Well – it has for years – and I suspect that nothing is going to change that.

  2. the politicans n political parties have created this environment via their collective poor leadership what has spawned and furthered the growth of the underclass and workin poor

    the chickens r commin home 2 roost……

    …..let de chips or in this case bullet shell casings fall where they may

    ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE BY ALL MEANS NESSICARY

  3. I have to disagree with you pretty much on all counts Jonny. For me blogs are just another form of the coffee shop, or the bar. A place where people go to chat amongst themselves and blow of steam.

    How many times each week do you think a similar off-hand comment is made in Bermuda’s bars? Once? Twice? More? The fact that this one is a world-play makes it even more clearly a joke.

    What should worry all of us is not just that the PLP are pushing ahead with investigating this clear non-threat, but that they are such a dishonest group of people that they’re paying someone to lurk around sites, and report back to big brother. That is a very scary concept. (and a great life for some sad soul)

    It’s not a good joke, but it’s been taken out of context and deliberately construed to create yet another misleading headline on a day when the PLP are themselves being investigated by police. Co-incidence?

    The current PLP leadership have demonstrated time and time again that they are only effective in two areas: spending more money than they should and vilifying white Bermuda using half-truths and misquotes. And thankfully, we only have a few more weeks left.

  4. @ Mike – To be honest we’ve been down this path before, over the whole chef thing years back. I make jokes about all manner of things, but to me jokes that reference killing any real person, no matter how obvious it is said as a joke, is to me taboo. There is a clear divide, it appears, amongst our people, with some people falling on my side – where jokes about killing someone are taboo – and those who think its just a joke and a laugh.

    Death itself can be a legitimate source of humour – just look at the Mexicans and some of their traditions on the ‘Day of the Dead’ (Dia de los Muertos). But jokes alluding to kill a real person, and a public figure at that, to me that crosses a line.

    @ LiF – People say lots of things around the water cooler that they wouldn’t put in writing – that degree of common sense should apply to blogs too. Sure, I’ve heard Bermudians (usually Whites) make comments along the same lines as the one in question. To be honest I cannot always tell how much of a joke they are; I usually either tell them off for a bad joke or do my best to end the conversation.

    I think it is a stretch to say the PLP is actively paying someone to read the blogs; I think it is far more likely that one or two PLP members have an issue with some of the posts and vigilantly read the posts.

    It may well be that this is some sort of political level distraction. I personally don’t think that was the intent, but it certainly seems to be the consequence.

    The BIAW forum provides a unique insight into the viewpoints of part of our community, and, for the most part, a distinct subgroup of our community. It provides a fascinating window for the more sociologically inclined. The question is whether that insight is used to condemn them, or if it is used to see where these people are, understand why they think what they think, and try to bring them to your own understanding, and in the process change each other.

  5. Regarding this non-story dominating all the local news media and blogs, which I feel is is ridiculous, a BIAW poster ‘hit the nail on the head’ when he posted:

    “Now that actually is truly scary and worrying – the place has a murder rate that would make Bogota green with envy; the school system is a disaster zone; IB is sidling towards the exits (remember than 7% head count drop the last year); the construction industry is tanking (cement sales down 30%); debt from a bloated government is mounting faster than the pile of cow dung down at the dairy farm – and this ‘death threat’ is what the major media on the island are covering?

  6. This post by Paul Clinton on BIAW should tell us why some letters to the Editor of the Royal Gazette were never printed.

    “Thanks Mysty. I adore this forum (one that encourages independent thought and doubt) and have visited it every day for some two years. The very same cannot be said for the OPC where
    white antipathy is encouraged at every turn. Nothing on that Jamahl? I spent a good deal of my publishing career proofing Alaska Hall propaganda for the Bermuda Press (never, ever knew
    what Alvin was on about – he found the bullet btw) and can say truthfully that nothing, positively nothing has changed: its akin to embracing a fascist counterfactual coined by Niall Ferguson.
    Anyhoo, “Pahty green” will do everything in it’s power to assuage the faithfull – to augment the bitter taste of their kool-aide which all will eagerly consume (Keep ’em dumb, I say!) and
    retain their landslide “mandate” of 50.7%.
    Let’s face it: times are tough for Doc Hollowood and his “New Jerusalem” and he’s gotta find a scapegoat (classic physic transference, me thinks). Uneasiness in IB, “scintillating” National debt,
    Bullets and gang bangers and Tourism’s “Plutonium Period”. Has the quality of life EVER been worse for hardworking, honest, empathetic Islanders?
    So life under these incompetents will grind along, with news lows being realised daily. As Chomsky believes, these clowns don’t work transparently because they can’t handle the heat and lack
    the political nous (read savvy, maturity) to realize that alienating 49.3% of the voter base ain’t a smart thing. Under the horror of qlq rule, Bermuda has become the laughing stock of the
    civilised world and they know it!”

  7. The party faithful gotta keep Ewart in the news as much as possible for his last harrah before he slopes off. It’s all Ewart all the time.

  8. Jonathan

    You’re right, we have been down this path before with the chef.

    I think the only point I was really trying to make was that we are all different.

    As you said, you make jokes about all sorts of things. I might find them hysterical, I might find them offensive. Who knows.

    For some people even areas that you might consider taboo for humour, are not. That simple really.

    As the aging Ken Dod might say…”it’s a ticklish subject”.

  9. Question when does Dr. Brown become just Dr. Brown? What I mean is when does Dr. Brown that is the personality that makes up Dr. Brown become him. If criticism of Dr. Brown is a threat to all black people therfor racist then the reverse should also be true if a person of a different race critises someone else should it not? At least the “reaction to racism” remake made in the deffence of the remarks from Derick Burgess and Glenn Blakeney could be said about who some white people react to statements made by the plp could it not?

    Chris

  10. “This post by Paul Clinton on BIAW should tell us why some letters to the Editor of the Royal Gazette were never printed.”

    – Ok Mrs. Furbert … so other than your not unexpected repost of someone else’s original remarks absent any sort of rebuttal what is your point? What has this poster said which you specifically disagree with and why?

  11. Arrest the man and charge him. He must be white. blacks have been arrested and convicted for cursing off the fool Premeir. The mans is not worth the timewhy? Foreigners are working Bermudians are not.

  12. 32n64w……….You just don’t get it do you.

    You talk crap.

    You must have graduated from the University Of E.

    Frustration is a beach. Poor white people…they come for us but who are we……

  13. 32n64w,

    I copied and pasted again for you. Read it and then tell me what you think I might disagree with and why.

    “Thanks Mysty. I adore this forum (one that encourages independent thought and doubt) and have visited it every day for some two years. The very same cannot be said for the OPC where
    white antipathy is encouraged at every turn. Nothing on that Jamahl? I spent a good deal of my publishing career proofing Alaska Hall propaganda for the Bermuda Press (never, ever knew
    what Alvin was on about – he found the bullet btw) and can say truthfully that nothing, positively nothing has changed: its akin to embracing a fascist counterfactual coined by Niall Ferguson.
    Anyhoo, “Pahty green” will do everything in it’s power to assuage the faithfull – to augment the bitter taste of their kool-aide which all will eagerly consume (Keep ‘em dumb, I say!) and
    retain their landslide “mandate” of 50.7%.

    Let’s face it: times are tough for Doc Hollowood and his “New Jerusalem” and he’s gotta find a scapegoat (classic physic transference, me thinks). Uneasiness in IB, “scintillating” National debt,
    Bullets and gang bangers and Tourism’s “Plutonium Period”. Has the quality of life EVER been worse for hardworking, honest, empathetic Islanders?
    So life under these incompetents will grind along, with news lows being realised daily. As Chomsky believes, these clowns don’t work transparently because they can’t handle the heat and lack
    the political nous (read savvy, maturity) to realize that alienating 49.3% of the voter base ain’t a smart thing. Under the horror of qlq rule, Bermuda has become the laughing stock of the
    civilised world and they know it!”

  14. The Combined Government under the present “leadership” seems to be getting more and more paranoid if that is possible. One can only hope, unless a Brownite, Nov 1 or shortly after brings a new and improved version to benefit Bermuda, but unlikely. Also unlikely is that the police will issue their findings of this investigation in the same way they never issued a finding on “the bullet”.
    Nothing like keeping a lid on things when it is embarrassing to the leadership.

  15. Hello Laverne,

    Re Clinton, all that I see is an intoxication with the flamboyancy of his own verbosity. The bye is just getting his jollies by playing with words and concepts and appreciates that he has an audience, for the most part, that has the understanding and education to follow his musings.

    Apply your freewill to read or not his postings. That’s the beauty of on line communication.

  16. Only a hory person could have so much “Eructus” on things said here.

    Come on John. The posters here that you allow to spew their same crap as they do on other blogs/forums is beyond mee.

    Ok!!! Things are slow here but you still post elswhere along with others using alias.

    Wimps, rich people ( according to their social status)

    Do We reallyhave to listen to these fools? Oh yes we do because they proliferate……………..

    Never mind……they all will be gone and we will be holding…………papers from 1970………………………….

  17. I don’t know what you disagree with … that’s why I asked. Simply re-posting the same quote again absent any form of rebuttal doesn’t change things.

  18. Mrs. Furbert – care to refute any of these observations with facts:

    http://www.vexedbermoothes.com/the-facts/

    “Sorry for the paucity of postings. Dog days of summer and all. Plus, I’m beyond vexed; I’m sad for Bermuda.

    Here’s my opinion: huge resources have been applied to “package” Dr. Brown as a successful leader … both to Bermudians but even more to his social circles in the United States. I believe that many decisions and expenditures have little to do with Bermuda’s prosperity, and everything to do with the Premier’s personal ambitions.

    Successful? Look at the facts:

    ■ Our community is more divided- and ANGRY – than in decades.
    ■ Our economy is a mess. Our reputation is tattered.
    ■ Government expenditures are a mess. The swollen civil service is adrift.
    ■ We have in a few short years acquired a crippling national debt – with little to show for it.
    ■ So far in 2010 in Bermuda, seven people have been murdered and at least 19 people wounded. Wow.

    No spin can override these facts.

    In my view, under Dr. Brown’s leadership, both the PLP and Bermuda have been badly damaged. Our future has been threatened.

    So, I hope the Doc’s next trough is deep and far far away. Now, it’s time to clean house.”

  19. Man…sounds like Point Shares has a problem with where their monies are,

    Typical. Blame the black man. Anyone need a lawyer?

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