New Online News Source

Well, I just came across this new source for Bermudian news online. It looks like it is just getting off the ground, but should prove to be a valuable additional source of new information. It certainly looks like it may prove an able competitor with the Bermuda Sun and the Royal Gazette, and hopefully this competition will benefit us all. I wonder if they will even seek to produce a printed news source?

Bermuda Wired

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190 thoughts on “New Online News Source

  1. Bull Starling, Pravda taught you well, it’s a proven tactic to manufacture news, and a common enemy.

    Bermuda Wired is nothing but regurgitated EB propaganda

    Brainwashing the BRAIN DEAD !

    Race politics never ends,so long as fame and massive fortunes are being made by the carpetbagger and his friends & family

  2. Well at least we know exactly why Glenn Jones resigned. Guess he couldn’t handle two propaganda machines at the same time. That opinion piece about TCI is so lopsided that it just shows that he learned his trade at FOX News.

    A Government/state owned media is a dangerous prospect in a democracy. Well I guess it is not that bad for Bermuda as we stopped being a democracy approximately 3 years ago now…

  3. 9ps,

    How are u making a connection between Glenn Jones and this website? I checked the website out and see no link mentioned.

  4. This is either some sort of joke or has been put together by a Barklee student in detention. Each story is either riddled with spelling errors or appalling grammar and the layout makes the Workers Voice look as professional as the Washington Post.

  5. Ken,

    Just from the blatant propaganda in the Opinion section. Magically it contains a Glenn Jones article published in teh Sun as well as an article by the “Acting Editor In Chief” comparing great britain to North Korea regarding the TCI situation with little to no mention of Misick’s blatant corruption that has bankrupted the island. That is how I know it has something to do with the Governing party and Mr. Jones.

  6. That is because of its spin and half truths which is synonmous with this and any other Government media outlets…So the Bermuda Government has proven to be no different…who woulda thunk it?

  7. @ Ken

    and you have alot of proof that 9ps is wrong. Who owns this site? The last news site that tried was owned by a politician do you think they will stop trying to control what the people think?

    CDF

  8. “Ok…sounds like you have a lot of proof there…”

    Nah, just another one of those infamous Bermudian coincedences that Dr. Brown spoke of during the AG’s audit of the court building.

    Just out of curiousity Ken, if you have read the TCI opinion piece, would you say that is a fair and impartial piece of journalism?

    And on top of that why would the “Acting Editor In Chief” warn Bermudians that we should be oh so scared that such actions can be taken against us? It could never happen here as this administration is the purest, most honest and straight shooting politicians that has ever graced our shores. So why the worry and fearmongering?

  9. After having a look:

    I see no by-line just admin. It has a similar feel to BNN and regressive minds. Why do they not wish to be know and they want to report the news? Just asking?

    CDF

  10. If the site purports to follow the Society of Professional Journalists’ Code of Ethics why does it hide behind a private registration?

    Similarly can the site owner confirm they have received permission from the Bonnier Corporation to reproduce an article from Popular Science magazine (http://bermudawired.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=49) under the banner: “BDA TECHNOLOGY: USB TO GET FASTER”?

    After all, “Reproduction in whole or in part without [their] permission is prohibited.”

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  12. It’s amazing how you all can come up with these conspiracy theories. That site has nothing to do with the Premier, the PLP or the Government.

  13. Laverne – you are wrong on two of those accounts, unless the Premier has nothing to do with members of his own family. Having met his sons I imagine that is what he would wish.

  14. This is comedy how some of the posters on here and go a nd run with these ‘conspiracy theories’ without a shred of proof.

  15. The Truth,

    And who are you the official spokesperson for?

    The only bailing out that I see are people bailing out from the UBP.

  16. The site itself, is it the new BermudaNetworkNews? Could be, as far as trying to establish itself as an alternative news site.

    As far as the home page goes, blech. Centered ‘highlights’, variant image sizes and as pointed out, basic spelling errors, make this ‘news’ website a bit of a joke, unfortunately.

  17. Ken,

    as opposed to, say, calling a protest a hate filled lynch mob that wanted to kill the Premier. That wasn’t a “conspiracy theory without a shred of proof”?

    How about a spokesman for the PLP claiming justification for that because the group was angry and, I quote, “Yoda says “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate”. THAT was his “shred of proof”.

    How about members of the smear squad calling the Royal Gazette “the combined opposition” without a “shred of proof”… or at least none they’ll show.

    How about members of the PLP calling Mr. Dunleavey “hitler” and a racist, without a shred of proof. Outright refusal to show any.

    Funny how proof is only needed when someone with an opposing view needs it.

    Comedy? HELL no. It’s a TRAGEDY what’s happening in this island.

  18. “Mambo
    This is either some sort of joke or has been put together by a Barklee student in detention. Each story is either riddled with spelling errors or appalling grammar and the layout makes the Workers Voice look as professional as the Washington Post.”

    Mambo has the nerve to talk about spelling errors.

    Also Mambo, where have you met the Premier’s sons? Which ones did you meet?

  19. Verne,

    I’m just speaking for myself. You claim to have spoken for Brown, PLP and the Government. Unless of course you’re running the new site then you would be speaking for yourself. Which is it?

    Just watching Glenn Jones and David Burt. That’s all. Better late than never.

    Back as we were.

  20. The Truth,

    I speak only for myself. However, I don’t have a problem sharing my knowledge with others. I never claimed to have spoken for Dr. Brown, the PLP or the Government.

    Here you go again with another conspiracy theory. No matter what Glenn Jones and David Burt have said, you all were put your spin on it and say they’ve left for other reasons.

    To show you how ridiculous you all are, the next thing you’ll be doing is using your conspiracy theory in relationship to the death of Nelson Bascome.

  21. Oh, there’s no conspiracy there… Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the lead pipe, done and done

    *** The above post is not intended to show any disrespect to Mr Bascome or his friends/family. Never met him, heard he was a nice guy

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled bickering AT each other rather than listening TO each other

  22. “I never claimed to have spoken for Dr. Brown, the PLP or the Government.”

    um …

    “Please be further advised that the site has nothing to do with Dr. Brown or any member of his family.”

    … pretty much sounds like you do.

  23. “No matter what Glenn Jones and David Burt have said, you all were put your spin on it and say they’ve left for other reasons.”

    No I didn’t. I just said they bailed out. Which they did.

    I’m not a big conspiracy theory fan, although my favourite is the Great White Royal Gazette conspiracy theory which you peddle furiously.

    With all that said I don’t know what is more entertaining. Watching you bite down so hard on obvious wind ups or watch Rummy try and bait Uncle Elvis.

  24. Good one “Truth”……….Dead fish floating offshore and inshore………

    Like Great Papa Tony said……………….a peece of noozepaper ann sum sardines………..

    Vola…………………Subways……………………………………….

  25. While you all are speculating that the site belongs to Dr. Brown, or a family member of Dr. Brown, the only thing I’m trying to tell you is that I know who owns and operates the site. However, your hatred of Dr. Brown does not allow you to read anything into what I say, other than I’m trying to speak for or protect Dr. Brown. You all know by now that Dr. Brown is quite capable of speaking for himself.

    But I can understand your added frustration these days. Your beloved party is imploding (as predicted by Dr. Brown). Now I know you’ll all now say that you’re not UBP supporters and that you would rather support a part led by Shawn Crockwell then one led by Kim Swan.

    You all were spending so much time trying to get rid of Dr. Brown while there was Shawn Crockwell, Donte Hunt, Mark Pettingill and company trying to get rid of not only Kim Swan, but the whole UBP. Did they deceive the people of Bermuda?

  26. “But I can understand your added frustration these days. Your beloved party is imploding (as predicted by Dr. Brown). Now I know you’ll all now say that you’re not UBP supporters and that you would rather support a part led by Shawn Crockwell then one led by Kim Swan.”

    Now come on, lets not give Dr. Brown credit where none is due. Everyman and his dog knew the UBP was pretty much finished. It’s amazing how fast the smear campaign against the new party was begun on the PLP blog. It’s disgusting to see that Bermuda politics sinks so low on a regular basis

    As for your comment regarding people saying their not UBP supporters .. Well I don’t even know where to begin actually. For ages the PLP has callled on the UBP to dispand due to it’s racial background, now that a new party seems set to take over suddendly the game changes. Now it becomes hypocrisy because rather than wasting votes on a party that the PLP has rendered impotent by it’s disgraceful racial rhetoric Bermudians, who see what the PLP leadership is doing to the country, would rather get behind a new movement on the political scene. A movement that could provide the strong opposition that Bermuda is currently lacking and a movement that could capitalise on all of those who, while dissatisfied with the PLP, can’t bring themselves to vote for what the PLP branded as the white elitest party.

    “You all were spending so much time trying to get rid of Dr. Brown while there was Shawn Crockwell, Donte Hunt, Mark Pettingill and company trying to get rid of not only Kim Swan, but the whole UBP. Did they deceive the people of Bermuda?”

    Did the opinion polls for Dr. Brown not get through to you at all? Below 30% I believe although I can’t remember the exact number. UBP supporters do not make up 70% of the island. So where exactly is that lack of support coming from? Oh thats right, PLP supporters who actually see what is happening around them. I cannot speak for everyone who posted here but, I recognise some the names and among them you would find many who have been completly behind the need for a new party. You seem to hold fast to a mindset that when someone disagrees with the PLP it must be because they are UBP supporters. That is the exact kind of attitude which breeds petty party politics and has brought Bermuda to the state it is in today.

  27. Nioe,

    You “recognise some names here”, everyone who posts on this site, as on other Bermuda sites, uses pseudonyms.

    In spite of what the opinion polls said, Dr. Brown is still the Premier of Bermuda and now Shawn Crockwell and Kim Swan are fighting to take that title.

    All I know is that Shawn Crockwell, Donte Hunt and Mark Pettingill ran as UBP candidates in 2007 and they praised the party for its diversity and all of those other nice things. They knew what the UBP was like when they first signed up. Why would they think that they could change it? As I see it, it’s not about the UBP, it’s about Shawn Crockwell wanting to be a star and he was able to convince Donte and Mark to help him shine. Shawn’s party will go the way of all the other “third parties” in Bermuda, into oblivion.

    By the way, I was just saying that Dr. Brown said the UBP would implode and it is imploding. If I had the time, I probably could show you where Shawn’s party members disagreed with Dr. Brown’s statement.

    I personally don’t think that either Shawn, Donte or Mark have the “stick-to-ivness” to hang around as the opposition to the opposition for too long. And who would ever vote for Michael Fahy?

  28. News Bulletin! News Bulletin!!

    The Governor and the Police Commissioner have completed their investigation and have found that the Uighurs are no threat to Bermuda!!!

    As if they would have come up with something different.

  29. Ms Furbert

    “As if they would have come up with something different”.

    Well, if you would like Ms Furbert, I will email the Tribunal evidence of these four ‘gentlemen’ to Jonathan if you like, and he can pass it onto you.

    It’s a little long to put here, but full of interesting info like they were trained at Tora Bora, their integration into the ETIP/ETIM’s training program, and other matters consistent with the modus operandi of al Qaeda and the Taliban.

    Alternatively, a specialised search under some of the special Google engines will probably reveal the detail for you.

  30. “I personally don’t think that either Shawn, Donte or Mark have the “stick-to-ivness” to hang around ”

    Sort of like Glenn and David right.

    PS Would you be ok with Dr. Brown operating on you before doing a basic cat scan to see if the surgery was safe? Well, most people wouldn’t, you might because you’re enamored with your cousin. But that’s what he did. He didn’t do the basic due diligence up front. His obligation is to the people of Bermuda not American politicians.

    He was reckless because he got a hard on at the thought of keeping a secret from the UK. There’s no way to wiggle out of that one. Reckless. Medically it would be called negligence or malpractice.

    Back to the regularly scheduled comedy.

  31. “You “recognise some names here”, everyone who posts on this site, as on other Bermuda sites, uses pseudonyms.”

    Ms. Furbert really.. There’s petty and then there’s this. That really is a pathetic attempt..

    “In spite of what the opinion polls said, Dr. Brown is still the Premier of Bermuda and now Shawn Crockwell and Kim Swan are fighting to take that title.”

    What exactly is your point? I stated a fact, I never denied those.

    “All I know is that Shawn Crockwell, Donte Hunt and Mark Pettingill ran as UBP candidates in 2007 and they praised the party for its diversity and all of those other nice things. They knew what the UBP was like when they first signed up. Why would they think that they could change it? As I see it, it’s not about the UBP, it’s about Shawn Crockwell wanting to be a star and he was able to convince Donte and Mark to help him shine. Shawn’s party will go the way of all the other “third parties” in Bermuda, into oblivion.”

    Chapter 1 Verse 1-4 of the Gospel of Dr. Brown.
    Amen.

    I find it incredible that you have managed to cleverly avoid contesting any point that I actually made in this prize of a paragraph. I never claimed that Shawn Crockwell is the best thing since sliced bread and thats the debate you seem to wish to have. Well I’m afraid you’ll have to look elsewhere for that debate Ms. Furbert.

    “By the way, I was just saying that Dr. Brown said the UBP would implode and it is imploding. If I had the time, I probably could show you where Shawn’s party members disagreed with Dr. Brown’s statement.”

    Obviously members of the party aren’t going to agree… otherwise they wouldn’t remain members of the party would they? Please don’t insult my intelligence by making an obvious point that doesn’t actually disprove anything I’ve said and passing it off as some great intelectual revelation.

    “I personally don’t think that either Shawn, Donte or Mark have the “stick-to-ivness” to hang around as the opposition to the opposition for too long. And who would ever vote for Michael Fahy?”

    I’m still looking for the clash here.. Where did you actually present any logical argument against my points? Or was the only part of your post that was directed at me the attack on my choice of words at the beginning? Ms. Furbert I’m all for it if you wish to have a respectable debate but, lets actually debate something rather than flip-floping all over the place.

  32. Mike,

    Please do e-mail your information to Jonathan so that he can pass it on to me and I will pass it on the the Premier so that he can pass it on to Hs Excellency, who can pass it on the the FCO. Obviously neither the CIA, nor the FBI, nor the Bermuda Police Service, nor Scotlland Yard, nor His Excellency, nor the Commissioner of Police (Bermuda) have done the research that you have,. We all know that the colonies have always been laxed in these areas. After all, how many suspects are already here?

    The Truth,

    You got it right!! Shawn and company have some things in commong with David Burt and Glenn Jones – youthfulness.

    As far as Dr. Brown operating on me, it would never happen. He’s my cousin and I have my own gp whom I trust implicitly. On top of that I know that Dr. Brown, like all Gps in the island doesn’t do operations, he only recommends surgeons. The last time I needed surgery, my gp recommended Dr. Stubbs, and I was very happy with him.

    As far as the Quighur situation is concerned, it had nothing to do with medicine. Dr. Brown handled it correctly, hence His Excellency’s report to the media this evening.

    I know it’s hard for you to take, but that’s life brother!!

  33. Was anyone claiming they WERE a threat to Bermuda?
    Was that the issue for anyone?

    Or was it the WAY they were brought here, smuggled in under cover of dark, the complete opposite, in fact, of “the sunshine of public scrutiny”?

    For me, and most people I know, it was the latter.

  34. Sorry guys… with the obvious Pro-PLP/Pro-Ewart slant to just about every story; if its not a party House Organ then its the infamous paid DNC American Consultants at it again.

    Poorly paid this time anyway. The lay-out looks terrible. Try harder guys.

  35. @ Ms. Furbert,

    Great, now that they’ve finished their clearance, we can talk about bringing them to the island!

    Oh…

  36. Thanks Lav – glad to see you sense of irony hasn’t been dimmed by your years of enlightened meditation.

    The piece in this skool boy website about the TCI is almost a verbatim copy of Walton’s recent happy hour rant. Walton of course has absolutely nothing to do with the website. Nothing.

  37. Ms Furbert

    You will be relieved to know (I am sure) that I won’t be sending the stuff to Jonathan. If you wan’t to ignre the facts – that’s up to you I suppose.

    Sir Richard said: “The assessment of the threat is that it is not high. A moderate assessment means that the Bermuda Police Service will continue to monitor the situation, but have no specific concerns.”

    A moderate assessment???? Continue to monitor???

    Hmmm – interesting, and not quite the “no threat” jubilation that Ms Furbert refers to.

  38. “As far as Dr. Brown operating on me, it would never happen. He’s my cousin and I have my own gp whom I trust implicitly. On top of that I know that Dr. Brown, like all Gps in the island doesn’t do operations, he only recommends surgeons. The last time I needed surgery, my gp recommended Dr. Stubbs, and I was very happy with him.”

    Remind me who he recommended to do the security check on the Uighurs? I don’t seem to recall.

    If you come here from somewhere other than a prison in Guantanamo Bay you at least have to provide a chest X-Ray and reference. Brown didn’t require either, or a mental health assessment on guys plucked from Tora Bora training camps. It was reckless. Absolutely reckless. You can try and conjure up rationals to defend it as we all expect, but it exposed him as an impulsive egomaniac with a grudge so big he’ll put the whole island at risk.

    Plus, he promised them something he cannot deliver. He lied because this was the furthest thing from humanitarianism. It was petty games with 4 peoples lives.

    The best part is that Brown must just laugh out loud knowing that you run around as you do defending him as such a sincere guy just looking out for everyone’s best interests.

  39. One still has to grimace at the official “it was a humanitarian matter”, or as Glenn Jones says “awesome humanitarian”. What total foolishness and rubbish. They were voluntarily in the camp and taken by US Forces to Gitmo. They were POW. The US doesn’t want them, but they took them – it is still their problem. Just fly them back to the camp at night and put them back without any announcement.
    A humanitarian gesture would be to rescue 4 orphan children from Darfur, but that wouldn’t fit into Dr B’s plans with sucking up to the USA.

  40. The thought of the BPS ‘monitoring’ the situation doesn’t do a lot for me. There are some who think they can’t monitor traffic.

    But, at least it’s good to know (in the words of the President of the USA) that the US is now a “safer place”.

    Amen to that.

  41. “News Bulletin! News Bulletin!!

    The Governor and the Police Commissioner have completed their investigation and have found that the Uighurs are no threat to Bermuda!!!

    As if they would have come up with something different.”

    I don’t get it.

    Does that mean that it doesn’t matter that Dr. Brown didn’t consult with his appointed Cabinet, as is necessary for a political system to be labelled a democracy, in relation to this action?

    Does this mean that Dr. Brown didn’t act in a dictatorial manner by making a decision on his own accord with no consulatation with his ELECTED colleagues who also sit in the House?

    Does that mean that Ms. Cox was wrong to feel “politically neutered” by Dr. Brown’s actions?

    Does that mean that Mr. Lister, Mr. Butler, Mr. James et al were wrong for standing up against such underhanded and anti-democratic tactcs utilized by Dr. Brown?

    Does that mean that it is ok that Dr. Brown lied to the House and the ENTIRE population of Bermuda when he stated that these four individuals were already vetted by the Bermuda police (which was later contradicted by Commissioner George Jackson)?

    Does that mean his more than arrogant statement of “this too shall pass” (almost as arrogant and underhanded as his infamous “we had to deceive you” comment) is justified?

    Ms. Furbert the one thing I DO understand from your post is your attempt to obfuscate the actual issue that so many Bermudians, including Dr. Brown’s own MPs, protested against, which is underhanded and tyrannical style leadership.

    Keep on trying though…it’s cute

  42. Laverne said:
    “All I know is that Shawn Crockwell, Donte Hunt and Mark Pettingill ran as UBP candidates in 2007 and they praised the party for its diversity and all of those other nice things. They knew what the UBP was like when they first signed up. Why would they think that they could change it”

    Sara says:
    Sounds similar to what happened with Dale Butler. Did he not run for PLP and praise the PLP and all those other nice things?

  43. Sara,

    dale Butler hasnt resigned from the PLP. He resigned from cabinet post. He has said repeatedly that he is still a supportive Member of Parliament for the Progressive Labour Party.

    Many of you love Dale now because he stood up to dr Brown. But had he not had that one moment in time, you wouldnt be singing his praises so vociferously.

    So i really dont get the point of your post…if you think Dale is anti-PLP now, you are sadly mistaken.

  44. Really?
    I’ve known Dale for years and have always liked him, even before I knew him.
    However, when he DID stand up for what is right, I was even prouder to know him.

    So, yeah… about the “But had he not had that one moment in time, you wouldnt be singing his praises so vociferously.” thing?

    Not so much.

  45. I think that’s a bit unfair. I agree that people are overplaying it, Dale is still firmly PLP. But he has always had a bit of cross-over appeal and a reputation as a bit of a maverick/independent. And he’s in what could be considered a more UBP-leaning than PLP-leaning marginal carried on the weight of his own personality and appeal.

    The Cabinet resignation certainly sealed his status for many, and no doubt he is lauded because he stood on a point of principal so many of his colleagues would not.

    But I think it’s fair to say he’s one of those more rare politicians who cuts across party before the latest chapter of The Sordid Tales of an Unchecked Power Hungry Demagogue..

  46. Ok i will bactrack a bit. I do definitely agree that Dale has always had a bit of a crossover/maverick appeal, and for being in a marginal this move was good for him.

    But i do think some anti-Brown and anti-PLP people are a little delusional in thinking that his resignation from cabinet was a prelude to an eventual resignation from the Party proper.

    I don’t think that will happen, although time will tell.

  47. 9ps … don’t hold your breath if you’re actually hoping for a response. The problem with facts is that they get in the way of spin.

  48. Ken
    , I’d agree with that stance. Thanks for clarifying.
    If Dale is anything, it’s firmly committed to his party, and I, for one, admire that dedication.

  49. Of course Dale Butler is still supportive of PLP. They did not have 6 members break away and try to start a new party.
    I guarantee if some of the PLP members broke away, he would be right there with them.

  50. Ooh, Rummy’s still got a crush on Elvis. I’ll stop bugging Verne if you two will go at it for a bit. Fair trade?

  51. 9ps,

    What was the last leadership position that you held? If you had held a leadership position, you would know that you sometimes make unpopular decisions without consulting. There are those of us who believe Dr. Brown made the right decision, and there are others who did not agree with his decison. There is no right or wrong here.

    You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine just as Paula Cox, El James, Terry Lister and every other Member of Parliament and the rest of Bermuda.

    The fact of the matter is you are still talking about Dr. Brown and the UBP is in shambles. Dr. Brown remains the Leader of the PLP and the Premier of Bermuda. There have been no resignations from the PLP, in spite of the fact that some members were unhappy with Dr. Brown’s decision.

    But you all on this blog are still going on and on about Dr. Brown. That is truly amazing!! Three UBP Members of Parliament, a senator and the chairman have just resigned from the UBP, two other Members of the UBP are sitting as independents and you’re still talking about Dr. Brown and the Uighurs!!! Give me a break!!!

  52. Of course he Marix, John Lennonist won’t post my posts unless he has a Geenas………………..

    Have your blog, not a soul comes. Promote Mr. Stalin, they all vent……….

    Where the hell is Castro when I don’t need hyme…………………….

  53. @ Ms. Furbert

    The thing about intelligent people is they can deal with more than one issue at a time. Debate about the resignations, the future of the UBP and the new party is still happening all over the blogs.

    Not everyone is so easily distracted

  54. Politically neutered? LaVerne..please……….

    Ewart balls are in and on the NY Stuck exchange…………..

    Kims are between his legs……..

    GOLF…..

    Define “GOLF”…………………

    God Overules LaVerne Fubert…………………………………………….

    Balls?………………….

    I gotta put that in my clasics…………………………………..really I do. John Barreet horn de lyne…………….Jahorn Svan………Hanry Tuker…………….

    Bill Zool wants rights with a clause ‘no remunerations’………………………………………..

    Send me an email LaVerne…………..my cocktail is just waiting to be lit……………………………….

  55. Nioe,

    What blogs are you talking about? I haven’t seen any real debate about the demise of the UBP or the fact that Shawn Crockwell has stepped up as the leader of a new party on this blog or any other. You all are like Stuart Hayward and Larry Burchall, you start to talk about it but then you remember that Dr. Brown is still there so you all continue to demonise him. I know it must be a hard pill to swallow when so much energy has been spent on trying to get rid of Dr. Brown as the leader of the country, and instead we have the implosion of the UBP. If I were in your position I’d be upset too.

    I mean, do we really want Shawn Crockwell to be the next Premier of Bermuda? According to him and the other UBP defectors, they have lots of support and the resignations are going in to the UBP fast and furious.

    I haven’t heard of any resignations from the PLP lately. Have you?

  56. LOL – LaVerne, if anything I take your observation as evidence that the UBP is practically a non-entity, and the NewBP is made up of relatively weak (or percieved as such) persons, and their new Party is little more than fluff at the moment. Neither the UBP or the NewBP are to be taken very seriously at the moment.

  57. Laverne,

    Don’t you know that nothing in Bermuda happens unless it can be tied to, attributed to, or related to Dr. Brown?

    With all the issues going on in the UBP, there are many posters that will continue to go back months into history to drag certain issues up and highlight certain things, just to avoid talking about the crises in their camp.

    I agree with Jonathan – it shows how irrelevant the UBP are, and how the NewBP hasn’t quite shown up to the match fully prepared either.

    I would’ve though had the NewBP come to the game ready to play, they would be dominating the news cycle.

  58. Ms Furbert,
    If I may. You say Dr Brown made the right decision regarding the Uighurs. So you are condoning and agreeing with Dr Brown, on behalf of the Government of Bermuda, in breaking the law. You have said elsewhere people are scared of Dr Brown because he is a strong black man. Well if breaking the law, breaching the Constitution, ignoring the law, ignoring protocol and ignoring rules makes him strong then Bermuda will follow many other countries downhill to the gutter. Let’s have anarchy for all.

  59. “Nioe,

    What blogs are you talking about? I haven’t seen any real debate about the demise of the UBP or the fact that Shawn Crockwell has stepped up as the leader of a new party on this blog or any other.”

    There is nothing to bebate on the demise of the UBP!! It’s happening, everyone accepts that! As of yet the major issues are what the new party can acheive, what they need to do and what it means for Bermuda. Shawn Crockwell being the leader is small change when there is an entire political shakeup to discuss. I’m sure that if you will raise some logical points about Shawn Crockwell then you will find plenty of people all to happy to debate you.

    As for the debating, there have been views expressed here, on Bermuda JEWEL and on BIAW. I’ve expressed my views on all of those as well as on my own blog, Bermy Onion Patch has expressed their.. unique view. There are a lot of opinions flying around, the debate happening right now, right here should prove that.

    “You all are like Stuart Hayward and Larry Burchall, you start to talk about it but then you remember that Dr. Brown is still there so you all continue to demonise him. I know it must be a hard pill to swallow when so much energy has been spent on trying to get rid of Dr. Brown as the leader of the country, and instead we have the implosion of the UBP. If I were in your position I’d be upset too.”

    It really frustrates me how hard it is to make this point clear. In most of the debate that I have read (yes it’s there, look for it) the UBP is not held in very high regard. So lets for just a second try to break out of the PLP vs. UBP mindset if we can. There is more to government then that.

    No one has forgotten that Dr. Brown is still there and I’m still looking for that logic I asked for in my last post. People disagree with Dr. Brown, people believe he is ruining this country. Why then do you find it so hard to believe that people could possibly have issues with him other than because he is PLP and they aren’t? The fact that the UBP is finally doing what most people already expected it to do does not mean that suddenly all other debate and all critisisms of the government just stop. It seems as though you view the breakup of the UBP as end-game. It isen’t, the UBP have been sitting on the bench for a long time now, it’s gotten so bad that the everyday Bermudian has been forced to take to the field and assume the role of opposition. Don’t kid yourself and think that those who don’t support Dr. Brown are all UBP supporters. I mentioned his approval ratings a few posts back. 70% of Bermudians are not UBPers. Where is the rest coming from? Within the PLP. Accept it.

    “I mean, do we really want Shawn Crockwell to be the next Premier of Bermuda? According to him and the other UBP defectors, they have lots of support and the resignations are going in to the UBP fast and furious.

    I haven’t heard of any resignations from the PLP lately. Have you?”

    I’m actually looking for your point here.. Was it to suggest that the UBP is breaking up but, the PLP isen’t?

    Well.. DUH!

    Thats about as simply as I can put it, I don’t know what else to say at this point. Nothing else is getting through. A few years in opposition and the PLP would see some major changes, hopefully it could reform itself internally. But, if it failed, as the UBP did, then it would find itself disintegrating too. The only reason it remains is because it has managed to so divide the country that it is winning purely because of the racial makeup of the island. When that is gone and the PLP has to rely on good governance to win the elections again I think they may have a few more wilderness years to contend with.

  60. Nioe….

    “Nothing else is getting through”.

    You didn’t really expect it to – did you? There is nothing to “get through to”.

    Ms Furbert is an ardent supporter of Dr Brown – come rain or shine, bad or good, she is there for him. Full stop.

    You will get a debate out of Ken, CO, Aslys and Jonathan, but you will never get a debate out of Ms Furbert. She will never let her slip show – it’s a weakness.

    Live with it; better still – ignore it.

  61. Nioe,

    What do you mean Dr. Brown is ruining the country? If that is the case why did I read the following in the Royal Gazette: “Fitch Ratings has affirmed its high ratings on Bermuda’s creditworthiness and said the Island is “in a strong starting position for facing the global economic crisis”.

    The American credit rating agency yesterday maintained Bermuda’s foreign currency Issuer Default Rating (IDR) at AA+ and its local currency IDR at AAA. The outlook on both ratings is stable. ”

    Mike,

    What you mean by debate is people agreeing with you and others that Dr. Brown is the devil reincarnated. For your information I support the PLP and the leader. Is something wrong with that?

  62. Verne,

    You mean the same Fitch that had Lehman Brother various notes rated above A the day they went into bankruptcy and subsequently dropped them to default and junk status after investors had lost everything?

    That one?

  63. Debate means…well….debate I guess. Debate doesn’t imply agreement, or at least it didn’t when I went to school.

    To use one of your tactics, could you show me where I have called/suggested/implied that Dr Brown is the Devil incarnate?

  64. Debate: “to talk about something at length and in detail, especially as part of a formal exchange of opinion”.

    The truth,

    If Fitch would have given Bermuda a poor rating, you would have something different to say. As I understand, they are not the only rating agency that has given Bermuda a good rating.

    Mike,

    If the shoe fits, wear it.

  65. No rebuttal then huh Verne?

    But with respects to your redirect: I know the rating agencies professionally. I try my best to ignore everything they say, good and bad.

    Now back to their lack of credibility? What were we saying about Fitch and Lehman? Shall we go further? AIG, Merrill, Citigroup? Shall we do this dance?

  66. I do not profess to be an expert on rating agencies. That aside, it is obvious to me and should be to you that the country is being run well under a PLP Government led by Dr. Brown and Deputy Premier, Paula Cox.

  67. “I do not profess to be an expert on rating agencies.”

    So why did you use the rating agencies as proof the country is being well run?

    “That aside, it is obvious to me and should be to you that the country is being run well under a PLP Government led by Dr. Brown and Deputy Premier, Paula Cox.”

    It was obvious to many that wanted to believe that AIG, Merrill, Lehman Brothers, Bank of America, Fannie May, Freddie Mac and others were being well run…until they weren’t.

    There are warning signs that the country, while trundling along now on the strength of an economy which has boomed largely in spite of the Government due to external developments (classes of 2001 and 2005), is now stagnating. The finances of Bermuda show that there is very little fall back position for Bermuda due to the PLP’s fiscal overspending and increased borrowing (before the global recession).

    As an example, that is why FutureCare was rolled out as quietly as possible. The intention was to limit the enrollment, because the PLP knew they couldn’t pay for their election promises.

    That’s bad government. So no, it is not obvious to me, nor many others. You’ll go down with the ship singing its praises. We all know that.

    Those without partisan blinders on can see that there are leaks in the ship. They may be patchable, but that is yet to be seen.

    PS It was obvious to many that Turks and Caicos was being well run, until they couldn’t make payroll anymore. Same as Caymans. Bermuda’s a bit different, but perception is not reality dear.

  68. “That aside, it is obvious to me and should be to you that the country is being run well under a PLP Government led by Dr. Brown and Deputy Premier, Paula Cox.”

    If that is the case Mrs Furbert can you please explain why:

    1. The education system is in a shambles assisted in no small part by the PLP’s (how many different ministers in 11 years was it again?) lack of commitment to improving the lives of young Bermudians;

    2. As a partial result of the failure of the PLP to deal with the above item, serious gun related crime is at an all time high;

    3. Our debt level is at record levels which will significantly impact the tax burden of future generations (i.e. me, my children and yours);

    4. The budget has tripled in 11 years;

    5. Given that you appear to support the concept of ratings agencies (even foreign ones for that matter), Dr. Brown’s approval rating is abysmally low;

    6. Compared to our neighbors to the south our tourism numbers are down even greater (irregardless of the current economic climate); and

    7. Unchecked spending and numerous documented instance of abuse of process in a number of ministries, but especially those involving the Premier and W&E (as recently confirmed by Mr. Burgess when he admitted Cabinet routinely overrule the civil service on capital expenditure projects).

    … ??

  69. Government debt has sky-rocketed saddling our children with an enormous burden.

    The only industry on the island that pays its way and subsidises Bermudians through all aspects of their life – including you Laverne – is the subject of ridicule and hostility by Ewart.

    Accounts are hidden from public view, not updated or totally mismanaged – hey how are the union accounts looking these days?

    I’d say that Jay and silent Bob are doing a fine job.

  70. After reading what you all have written, I must now change my mind about the PLP Government and Dr. Brown. I have to now agree with you that PLP Cabinet Ministers don’t have a clue about what they’re doing except when they’re being corrupt. Bermuda is in a terrible state which is all the fault of that dictator Ewart Brown. You all have convinced me that I have had blinders on all these years and I’ve just removed them. Thanks for helping me see the light.

    Over and out.

  71. I have a feeling the ensuing silence from Ms Furbert will be long.

    Facts are nasty things and tend to get in the way.

    Mambo – accounts are hidden from public view….that is why they call it a Public Accounts ctte. And one wonders when that ctte last met? From what I hear, PLP members usually have other more important things to do than make up a quorum.

    If the PLP was a socialist party, one could almost understand the spend-spend-spend.

    What a lovely gift for one’s children; a doubling of the National Debt from $4300 in 07 to $9900 per Bermudian in 09.

  72. And Verne folds.

    By the way Verne, things don’t have to be so extreme. It’s not always an all or nothing, love or hate scenario. You see, reasonable people can come to different conclusions. Some may be more concerned than others and time will tell who is correct, or more correct.

    Others however, such as yourself, refuse to concede anything. Which makes you appear to be little more than a mindless marionette.

  73. Is that even Laverne typing those messages? The grammar and little icon thing seem to be different for me… Anybody else notice this?

  74. Depends on a number of information the computer collects. LaVerne (and a few others) have a couple of different icons for various reasons. This icon is her less common one, yes.

  75. I can respect Laverne’s die hard support for the PLP.
    But when it comes to Dr. Brown specifically, I don’t think she realizes that everything she says to defend him falls on deaf ears because they are related. And in Bermuda cousins are as thick as brother and sisters. This puts her message at a constant disadvantage.

  76. @Sara

    I can understand when Ms Furbert defends him. What I cannot understand is that she defends him in whatever he does, including the obvious errors and problems created.

    We now have a public debt, the size of which will have to be dealt with by Dr Brown’s successor. At best, it will hamper the plans and aspirations of the Government. It may be worse than that, as we are not yet at the end of 09.

    But despite the Government’s own facts – Ms Furbert says effectively – all is well.

    Amazing.

  77. LaVerne….I just caught two ‘Sennet’ on south shore….should I eat them?

    According to your ‘accordying’ flaps… your in tune. How much yah cusin paying you?

    “You LIE”………………………………….

    I need a rum……..

  78. @Mike:

    I agree with you on that. If she did take a stand now and again on certain issues that she did not agree with, then more people would listen. She can’t possibly believe that everything Dr. Brown has done has been good for Bermuda. She alludes to it by saying he is not a perfect man, but that just does not cut it.
    JMO

  79. Black Press, Laverne, et al you all mad. You have your audience.

    “Under class”……………….Black Press, before you were born, man was living in caves then graduated to tree tops………………….

    I can’t beleive I am typing this…………………

    Gotta run……free cocaine on Brunswick Street………………..

  80. y do u feel the need to edit curse words out of posts…this is the internet… the supposed last place for freedom of speeech

  81. Please refer to the Moderation Policy section found at the header of this blog. The words have no contribution to your argument – if anything they detract from it.

  82. in your opinion @ starling

    a well placed cuss word adds passion to an argument….the internet is supposed to be the last refuge of free speech your edits take the passion away….but it s your blog …so whatever

    rummy … u need sum red bull wit dat rum wa is ya point?

  83. Well BP, I’m not editing what you are saying. As you said though, the internet is a refuge of free speech, and it is very easy to set up a blog where you can moderate as you see fit.

  84. Black press, take a tour of a “winery”. Thats all you do. Feel stepped on? Feel compressed?

    A filter helps…….and good council. ..The your good to go……

    Get it?……Did’nt think so……………………….

    The reef line is getting fishy………………………..

  85. Yoh!! Crimson…………Yah drinkin rum? Not a sould gets the ‘Pitcher” except you?………………………

    Bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa….

    Gotta run……………….Off to North Korea for 30 years, then Iran, and Venezwaylaha……

    I just love reading about family….makes my moments so ..well yah know…….

    Gotta run…..my white cousin who’s married to a Indian (East) who met a ‘Limey’ on a voyage to Bermuda in the 60’s who owns a piece of Alaska…….juliann up some ‘onions’ whilst we talk……………..

    Did you know that Iran has figured out how to make cars run on gas…………………………………..

  86. Jonathan,

    I have no problem when your bloggers question my support of Dr. Brown. However, I do take offense when I’m being accused or questioned about how much I’m being paid to voice my opinion by nameless and faceless people.

  87. Also Jonathan,

    Rest assured Black Press will never set up his own site. He probably will tell you that the Government should do that for him. He’s a man of many words, but little action.

  88. If it’s any consolation, you’re not the only one that gets accused of being paid. Wish I was sometimes though! LOL! Just ignore it, it’s meaningless.

  89. Alright Ms. Furbert, at last we have some clash rather than you dancing around my points. Lets see where this goes then.

    “Nioe,

    What do you mean Dr. Brown is ruining the country? If that is the case why did I read the following in the Royal Gazette: “Fitch Ratings has affirmed its high ratings on Bermuda’s creditworthiness and said the Island is “in a strong starting position for facing the global economic crisis”.

    The American credit rating agency yesterday maintained Bermuda’s foreign currency Issuer Default Rating (IDR) at AA+ and its local currency IDR at AAA. The outlook on both ratings is stable. ””

    Right well what does this credit rating mean? Well I’m no accountant but, I believe in the end it sets the standard for what lenders will charge Bermuda for borrowing money. In other words it allows lenders to gauge how likely it is they will get their money back. Bermuda as it stands is on the lower end of the scale when it comes to public debt. A fact that even you can get behind! However the fact remains that the debt has shown high increases over the past number of years, beginning before the financial crisis so lets not try to attribute it purely to that. In and of itself this increase in public debt is not ruining the country, I simply present it as an example of the mismanagment of the PLP government under Dr. Brown over the past few years.

    While that point may be interpreted as a jab at the PLP as a whole I wish to focus the rest of my points specifically at Dr. Brown.

    We can both agree that Dr. Brown is our leader yes? And how does a leader lead best? By example. What kind of example is he setting for the youth of this country when he cannot even bring himself to abide by the ultimate of our country’s laws. The constitution.

    What kind of example does Dr. Brown set when he cannot even be bothered to show up for Bermuda’s 400th birthday? I don’t want some excuse about how he was on vacation, it’s not as if we snuck up on him with this event. It’s been coming for about 400 years if my math is correct. Furthermore it was rather unfortunate that the leader of the progressive LABOUR party was absent on labour day. It’s not really setting the standard for responsibility very high is it? And then there is the gaming bill, I really don’t believe this requires any explination as to why it sets a bad example. I challenge you to defend thatt action.

    Perhaps you’d like to argue that his example means nothing to the everyday Bermudian and therefore those points are null and void. Well then I guess all I can bring up are his divisive racial rhetoric and his gross mismanagment of the Tourism portfolio. Spending is down, it has been for many years, his plan for tourism has failed. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Bermuda hasn’t been promoted correctly, Bermuda as a product hasn’t progressed correctly. These can both be chalked up to failures on Dr. Brown’s part. Tourism was once a pillar of our economy and it has been declining for a long time now but, that does not excuse the fact that Dr. Brown’s policies have been nothing short of failures. With new IB incorporations down to 0 in the last month (I think it was month I’m quoting this statistic from the top of my head) Bermuda looks in a rather precarious situation, either we please IB or we go to pot. And pleasing IB seems both Dr. Browns strong point and his weakness at the same time. While antagonising whites with black power salutes and racism comments he indirectly pushes IB one step closer to packing their bags if the islands increasing crime levels don’t do that for him.

    Perhaps ruin the country was too strong of a phrase because in the end there are a lot of factors at play with what Bermuda is going. But, Dr. Brown certainly seems to be doing a good job of giving those factors a helping hand.

  90. Oh and on the topic of ratings agencies I wouldn’t be too hasty to take what they say as gospel just yet:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8262209.stm

    Some important quotes from the article:

    “The agencies, which give firms ratings to determine how safe an investment they may be, have been criticised for their role in the financial crisis. ”

    And

    “Head of the SEC, Mary Schapiro, said that investors’ reliance on agency ratings “did not serve them well over the last several years”.

    Earlier this year, credit rating agencies admitted errors were made when assessing some of the financial instruments that have been blamed for the credit crunch.

    The agencies have been accused of failing to spot the size and risk of the bad US housing debt that was resold around the world, causing multi-billion-pound losses.

    They gave high ratings to sub-prime mortgage investment vehicles that later turned out to be incorrect. “

  91. Lavvy

    The bizarre thing is that most people here completely accept you are doing this for free (although on the BIU’s dime, natch).

    It must be slightly galling to see the carpet baggers such as Rolfe, Burt and various sheep on the back benches shoving their snouts into the money trough in exchange for lip service to the “agenda” while you do it for free.

  92. Just as an aside here, Mambo is not the name that Mambo has chosen to use as of the last few months, however the name he has chosen contravenes my moderation policy. I had hoped that he would have gotten the hint by now. Just wanted to make that clear to all involved.

  93. Thank you Laverne,

    I haven’t been called Sambo since growing up on a South London council estate in the early 1980s – incidentally by the same people who carved an NF logo on to my cousin’s arm with a Stanley knife. Happy days.

    I’m glad that a jocular nickname contravenes the politically correct moderation policy of yours Jonathan, whereas a vile and repugnant racist epithet such as Sambo is allowed through unchallenged.

    This is a Brave New World indeed.

  94. As this has turned from something on an amateur news site to a full out attack on the mis-management of our country, I think that we should be allowed to continue. I’ll start. Over the past few years:

    Positives:
    1. IB is still here. Some credit agencies still rate us at the highest/second highest position.
    2. While debt has trebled, it is still low compared to other western nations. At the same time, we have no defense budget, which is worth noting.
    3. Apparently black Bermudians are happier, more productive and feel better about the island. I don’t know how to quantify or prove that, but it’s what I keep being told by those associated with the current PLP leadership.
    4. We might or might not qualify for some of the free things promised in the last election. Some people will at least.

    Negatives:
    1. Tourism performance is woeful, despite higher than ever spending. Perhaps a full time minister could do a better job?
    2. Education is woeful, and shown no signs of getting better (and no changing the exam doesn’t count)
    3. Crime and in particular violent crime is up.
    4. Race is the most important word in Bermudian politics.

    For me personally support of a government (or almost anything) comes down to a simple question: do I believe that they have done a better job then the alternative. And over the past 5 years, I honestly do not.

    The other thing worth considering is that damaging a system is much easier than putting it back together.

    I’ve said it before, and I’m sure LF wouldn’t believe me, but I was honestly excited when Dr. Brown came to power, due to his reputation as a doer, not a talker. Well it’s been a good few years now, and the ministries and country he is in charge in have not done much. Even the most ardent supporters such as yourself have to cling to things like ‘well at least our rating hasn’t gone down’. It’s not progress when the best you can hope for is not going backwards.

    Now by no means are those exhaustive lists, but I’m trying to

  95. Mambo,

    “I haven’t been called Sambo since growing up on a South London council estate in the early 1980s” – Yeah, right!!!

  96. Negatives:

    Tourism is woeful – Isn’t it woeful in my island destignations?

    Educations is woeful – Isn’t the same debate going on in several other places?

    Crime is up – Isn’t crime up in many other island destinations and in the U.S. and England?

    Race is the most important word in Bermuda politics – Is Bermuda politics different from American politics. Looks to me like race is an important word there as well.

    But, Bermuda is another world, and we shouldn’t be having the problems listed above.

    I guess things will start turning around come October 2010 when Dr. Brown steps aside.

  97. Your Excellency Ms. Rice, President of the Security Council,
    Your Excellencies Ambassadors to the United Nations Security Council,
    In light of the deterioration and escalading violence in Honduras, in my capacity as the President of
    the International Federation of Human Rights (FIDH), I today personally urge all Members of the
    Security Council to urgently and appropriately react to the latest developments that have occurred in
    the country, to support a constructive and open dialogue to end the political crisis, in order to restore
    the rule of law, prevent a greater destabilization of the country and potentially the region, as well as
    to prevent further serious human rights violations from being perpetrated.

  98. “I guess things will start turning around come October 2010 when Dr. Brown steps aside”.

    Maybe not.

    The Premiers replacement will have difficulties with getting any new and significantly sized initiatives underway, because of the current and projected debt issue. He/she will also have the issue of Future Care to contend with.

    A sound initiative in principle, but clearly one that has not been thought through in sufficient detail. Mouth was engaged before brain I suspect.

    I suppose he/she could continue to increase our borrowing – or increase taxes to find the funds. The latter will not be popular.

  99. Mrs. Furbert if you’ve decided to revisit this blog posting how about responding to:

    “That aside, it is obvious to me and should be to you that the country is being run well under a PLP Government led by Dr. Brown and Deputy Premier, Paula Cox.”

    If that is the case Mrs Furbert can you please explain why:

    1. The education system is in a shambles assisted in no small part by the PLP’s (how many different ministers in 11 years was it again?) lack of commitment to improving the lives of young Bermudians;

    2. As a partial result of the failure of the PLP to deal with the above item, serious gun related crime is at an all time high;

    3. Our debt level is at record levels which will significantly impact the tax burden of future generations (i.e. me, my children and yours);

    4. The budget has tripled in 11 years;

    5. Given that you appear to support the concept of ratings agencies (even foreign ones for that matter), Dr. Brown’s approval rating is abysmally low;

    6. Compared to our neighbors to the south our tourism numbers are down even greater (irregardless of the current economic climate); and

    7. Unchecked spending and numerous documented instance of abuse of process in a number of ministries, but especially those involving the Premier and W&E (as recently confirmed by Mr. Burgess when he admitted Cabinet routinely overrule the civil service on capital expenditure projects).

    … instead of retreating with your throw away remark “After reading what you all have written, I must now change my mind about the PLP Government and Dr. Brown.”

  100. Actually “no” Ms Furbert,

    I just think we have a situation that will take some powering out of – one way or another.

  101. 32n64w,

    You should know that I visit this blog because of my friendship with Jonathan, although we don’t always agree. I can also tell you that when I believe that I’ve said enough on a particular topic, I will stop commenting. Hence I will make no comment on your last post.

    As far as Fred Barritt’s comments are concerned, he’s entitled to his opinion, just as you and I are. I can tell you that’s a new one for me “Stockholm syndrome”. I thought I suffered from post traumatic slave syndrome, like many other people I know.

  102. “I can also tell you that when I believe that I’ve said enough on a particular topic, I will stop commenting. Hence I will make no comment on your last post.”

    Translated:

    I cannot defend those actions or refute those facts so I will distract by attacking the messenger and throw in a little slavery reference to try and deflect any attention from the actual subject at hand. Done.

  103. 9ps,

    Understand this one thing, you do not have the mentality or capability to translate anything that I write or say.

  104. Let’s read some comments on this. I think we have already established that Dr. Brown has no connection with the “New Online News Source”.

    CONVOCATIONADDRESS
    THE 142ND CONVOCATION OF HOWARD UNIVERSITY
    BY
    DR. THE HON. EWART F. BROWN JP, MP
    PREMIER OF BERMUDA
    25TH SEPTEMBER 2009

    Mr. President and distinguished Deans of the University; members of the Faculty, staff, ladies, gentlemen, family, friends, and above all, students of this historic centre of academic excellence in this nation’s capital; I greet you as my country’s Head of Government, as a veteran medical practitioner, a proud alumnus of Howard University and a graduate of the classes of 1968 and 1972.

    I am extremely grateful for the honour of addressing this student body and awed by the task of setting the tone for this academic year. It is not something I take lightly; I have pondered my theme and content long and hard. I tried in my preparation for today to find a challenge that would transcend the cliché; that would stand apart from the norm; that would resonate beyond today; and that would be worth remembering.

    The reflection in which I have been engaged has caused me to determine that the best message I can leave with you today is an expression that you may have heard under different circumstances: “Someone is sitting in my seat”.

    Someone is sitting in my seat — Today I use that phrase to trace a journey and to inspire to endless possibilities.

    Forty-five years ago, almost to the day, I sat in one of these seats here in Cramton Auditorium and listened to the wise words of Dr. James Nabrit, who was the President of Howard at the time. And, after a journey that would include pre-med, medical school, post-graduate medical training, medical practice for thirty-five years and ultimately public service in my native Bermuda which culminated in my holding its highest elected office, I am back where it all began. That has been my journey from my seat in this auditorium. What will your journey be? That is the question I want to leave with you today.

    Permit me to pause and acknowledge, Mr. President, that in today’s audience are my wife, Wanda, my aunt, sister, two brothers, my niece Dr. Kim Montgomery who is Director of Psychology testing here at Howard and close friends who were delighted to come and share the honour of this momentous occasion with me. In addition, Mr. President, there are two young men who may be here today simply because they like the family scholarship they receive each semester and have no intention of losing it by being absent when their old man speaks on their college campus. My sons, Donovan and Trey are here. They have grown up to my preaching the virtues of a Howard University experience — Yes, a Howard University experience and not a Howard University education. There is a distinct difference. It is that difference that saw my sons reject the opportunity to attend other universities and to show the good sense to come to the Mecca!

    So it is with the Class of 2013. The promise of an experience versus just an education is what has made your choice the right one.

    My own experience at Howard and the experience of countless others tells me that my contention is correct. The history of Howard and the enormous contributions of its alumni to the United States and the world, manifests itself daily as doctors, lawyers, political leaders, scientists, judges, actors, filmmakers and businesspeople write a global story fueled by their Howard experience. Every single one of them at some time sat in a seat in this place. That seat has many qualities. But, I want to focus on three of them. It is a seat of REFLECTION; it is a seat of PREPARATION; and it is a seat of COMMITMENT.

    Why is it a seat of reflection? As you sit today or any day, allow yourself to marvel at the unlikely story that is the African American experience. Moreover, allow yourself to marvel at the integral part Howard University has played in that story. Not only is someone sitting in MY seat, but someone is sitting in the seat of the 1st African-American Justice of the Supreme Court, Thurgood Marshall; the 1st African-American US Senator, Ed Brooke; the first African-American Governor since Reconstruction, Doug Wilder; the world-renowned, Grammy-award winning opera star Jessye Norman; the Former Mayor of Atlanta and 1st African-American Ambassador to the UN, Andrew Young; and the 1st African-American woman to win a Nobel Prize in Literature who also won a Pulitzer prize, Toni Morrison. Someone is sitting in the seat of Sharon Pratt Kelley, former Mayor of this venerable City, Vernon Jordan, Elijah Cummings, Roberta Flack, Ossie Davis, Phylicia Rashad, Debbi Allen, Richard Smallwood, and Fredricka Whitfield. Someone is sitting in Taraji Henson’s seat…and yes, P. Diddy’s. Someone is sitting in my seat.

    As you reflect, the strains of our national anthem will echo in the distance: “Stony the road we trod, bitter the chastening rod, felt in the days when hope unborn had died. Yet with a steady beat have not our weary feet come to the place for which our fathers died”. It is a seat of reflection on a glorious past, of which each and every one of us should be justifiably proud. It is a seat of reflection on our rich and powerful legacy. It is a seat of reflection on our blood lines that infuse us with intelligence, strength and promise.

    As it was for me and for so many others, your seat is also a seat of preparation. The Howard experience prepares women and men to meet the challenges of this complex world. Education is available all over the country and the world but the Howard experience is provided to few.

    The seat of preparation demands of the student an openness to receive instruction and of the professor a passion to impart knowledge.

    Do more than pass. Aim for more than academic success. The benefit of a Howard experience demands of you a spirit of preparation founded in the knowledge that you inherit one of the richest histories of academia in the country and indeed the world. Prepare! Be ready for your journey!

    Reflect, to enhance your consciousness of the glorious legacy of the seat in which you sit. Prepare, to ensure that the Howard experience does right by you and you by it. Prepare, so that you will continue the tradition of the Howard legacy and contribute to a glorious future.

    But recognize that that seat, my seat, your seat, is a seat of commitment.

    It is a seat of commitment because long after you no longer assemble in Cramton Auditorium, long after 2013 when Commencement is but a memory, the Howard Experience will have implanted in you a quest for greatness and a commitment to all the ideals and ideas that dwell in the ethos of this centre of learning.

    It is a commitment that feeds a vast network of brothers and sisters around the world whose sole connection is the Experience. It is a commitment that opens doors of employment opportunity and economic empowerment because it demands that Howard’s women and men be loyal and show goodwill to one to another, as members of a family.

    Meanwhile, not far from where we now sit, a Black man and woman occupy a residence built by slaves. They now set the tone for everything in this country from fashion to speech. Neither of them has the benefit of the Howard Experience, but they’ve done well in spite of this. I mention the President of the United States and the First Lady because their story speaks to the elements I have highlighted today – reflection, preparation, commitment, and a focused determination to accomplish the prize of all prizes – the White House.

    Now, as you reflect, and get ready to prepare and commit to the incredible legacy of the Howard Experience, the burning question for you, Class of 2013, is what will your journey be? How will you get from where you are sitting to where I am standing?

    As I say that, I am not talking about your becoming leader of Bermuda, this country, or any country. I am talking about living your dream…fulfilling your life’s ambition…for when I sat where you sit, I dreamt of the day I would return to Bermuda and lead my country. Leadership of my country was one of my defining goals and ambitions, and through the grace of God, I have achieved it.

    What is your defining goal? What is your ambition? How will you use what you learn from the Howard experience to stand where you want to stand in the world? What allows some of us to get to where we want to go, when others fall by the wayside? The answer, my friends, is simple, but difficult. It is easy to say, but complicated to do over a life span. You must keep your eye on your prize, and as our forefathers would say “don’t let nobody or no thing turn you around.”

    You must stay focused. Don’t get confused. Young ladies, don’t come here to Howard and look at these handsome, fly boys (including my sons) and be distracted from your plan. Multi-task!!! Look at them…hang out with them, but do your work at the same time. On a very serious note, consider raising the cost of your companionship – you can change the world. And, if you ever have to make a choice between the social and the academic, choose the academic. It will serve you better and longer.

    Young men…Who would blame you if you spent most of your time with this endless array of smart beautiful women, and shirked the responsibility of getting your education? I would, and so would your parents and the generations of men and women who gave up their lives so that you might have an education to be able to better provide for your families. You must stay focused. Don’t get confused.

    What will happen if any of you get seduced by the lure of parties, drinks, and drugs? You will fail. Let me repeat…you will fail. You will fail yourselves, your parents and the other people who sacrificed to put you here, and you will fail the legacy of Howard University. You will fail me, and you cannot, you will not, use my seat for failure.

    More than anything else, my seat…your seat must inspire confidence — the confidence that will make you walk upright; that will encourage you to challenge the status quo; that will give you the fortitude to embrace change; and, finally, that will make you believe in the greatness of your people.

    Class of 2013, the baton – my seat – has been passed to you. What will your journey be? Will you stand where I stand? Will you live your dream?

    The answer lies in what you do with that simple chair in which you are sitting. When you leave here today, ask yourself who sat there before you. Was it one of the familiar names I mentioned?

    If you imagine and look closely enough at your seat, you will see blood there, you will see sweat, you will see tears, you will see fear and you will see courage and conviction in the face of all that. You will see that it is a seat of reflection, or preparation, and of commitment.

    Give your seat the honor it deserves, and the passion it requires. As you continue your journey to your dream, to your life’s ambition, I want you to feel the gentle but unrelenting pressure of those of us who sat before you.

    We demand that you stand longer than we sat and run faster than we walked.

    We demand that you respect us, and each other and this great institution we entrust to your care.

    We demand that you live up to the limitless possibilities within you. Resolve this day that you will use your seat to claim the rich legacy of the Howard experience… Live your dream!

    Thank you.

  105. post traumatic slave syndrome

    As UE would say, ‘Wow! Just wow!’.

    I forsee whole new fields of psychiatric doctine being opened up here. ‘Post traumatic suicide syndrome’ – my ancestor committed suicide. ‘Post traumatic traitor syndrome’ – my ancestor was executed as a traitor. Etc, etc.

    And surely ‘Bridey Murphy post traumatic slave syndrome’ can’t be far behind… (I was a slave in a previous life, for those who aren’t up on Bridey Murphy).

  106. Noel,

    Maybe you should read the book before you make a comment about it. It’s like you and others to accept that there’s such a thing as the “Stockholm” syndrome, but not a post traumatic slave syndrome. Dr. Joy Degruy Leary is a respected scholar in the U.S. Fred Barritt commands very little respect anywhere.

  107. Such a condition existing would, in my mind, give a name to a phenomenom which is prevalent in our society.

    The question would then be, like Stockholm Syndrome, does it have proven methods of treatment? If so what are they?

  108. J Galt

    If your mother tosses around racist hate terms such as s@mbo at black people on relatively polite forums I think that might answer your question.

  109. J. Galt,

    I think all black people who are descendants of slaves suffer from PTSS. However, that does not prevent us from functioning at a high level, as both of my sons do.

  110. irony of ironies in todays RG

    Rolfe who of course doesn’t suffer from PTSS berating an overachieving (in his Malcolm X view of the world) black woman for crediting whitey for her achievements when RC himself blames whitey for all he’s ever accomplished – y’know that stretch in pokey…..

  111. Uncle Elvis,

    I think some white people suffer from Post Traumatic Slavemaster Syndrome.

    Mambo, maybe you need to re-read Rolfe’s comments. I certain understand exactly what he is saying. In fact, I know someone exactly like the person that Rolfe describes. I wonder if its the same person.

  112. “I think some white people suffer from Post Traumatic Slavemaster Syndrome”.

    Well, it’s good to see you said “some”. I mean we couldn’t lump all whites together now – could we?

  113. Wow, it’s the age old ‘well I have x race friends’ argument. Sheesh.

    So if former slave masters (and non former slave masters)’ descendants have this post-traumatic thing, and former slaves (and non salves) have this other post-traumatic thing, and former kidnap victims, beaten children, so and so forth all have some form of post-traumatic disorder – does that mean that all we are is a summation of the traumatic things that have happened in our lives, and worse, our ancestors?

    If this is true, and our entire personality and ability can be attributed to the past, then what’s the point?

    If it’s not true, and people are able to move on despite the weight of post-traumatic syndromes holding them down, then how can we ensure that all people can make this move?

    In other words, who cares about what kind of post-traumatic syndrome you have if you’re not interested in either ‘curing’ it (is that possible?) or moving past it? We’ve all had trauma in our lives, so I guess we all have some type of post-traumatic disorder. So do we use it as a crutch? Can only some of us?

  114. only blacks who have not learned how to heal themselves by reconnecting with what has been taken by the whites during slavery etc …are still in mental slavery or PTSS.

    today africans in the west have every ability to reconnect to their african culture and african spirituality …this is the only way to heal from the past events.

    people choose to ignore world history…people choose to reject africa and people choose to follow these slave religions like islam and christianity

    We do not originate from slaves.

    Our culture n history spans far beyond meer slavery.

  115. Why don’t you all go on line and read what the author had to say rather than arguing with me. I heard her lecture and most of what she said I agree with. She is well respected, but that won’t make a difference to you all.

  116. Here’s the problem.

    You ask why people believe in Stockholm Syndrome and not PTSS.

    The difference is: One is a well-documented response with established psychological and psychoanalytic explanations.
    The other is the construct of a single writer, turning a phrase.

    And Post Traumatic Slavemaster Syndrome is just something you made up.

  117. My search of the internet tells me that other scholars concur with Dr. Joy Degruy’s analysis. But, I understand why you and others would dismiss her research.

  118. Why? Because I’m white?
    Please, Ms. Furbert. Aren’t you above that?

    If I’m wrong and it’s not, in fact, the colour of my skin, what is it that would make you think that I would dismiss her research… which I haven’t.
    I think she has a lot of very, VERY valid points and is truly on to something that I’d like to see explored deeper.
    I was trying to explain why people are more likely to believe in Stockholm syndrome than PTSS.

    And Post Traumatic Slaveowner Syndrome is STILL something that you made up.
    Speaking of, I note that you evaded my question, while answering it.

  119. Isn’t the Stockholm Syndrome suffered only by the people who actually experienced the trauma of being kidnapped or held under duress? Does it affect their decendants at all?

  120. I have sat back and documented all that has been said here and on other threads and I have come to the conclusion that most posters here and on other sites, whether residents or abroad are suffering from a new disease. It is spreading as rapidly as the H1B09 flu, commonly known as the “Brown Flu”.

    It has been isolated to Bermuda, London, Washington DC, China, and the Turks and Caicos Islands.

    The CDC and the FBI are working on it. Most of those suffering with it also show dramatic signs of the early onset of it. The signs are: Fever, Sweating and constant use of the Letters to Editor section/s of printed media.

    This first sign is called

    “PTFS”

    ” Post Traumatic Furbert Syndrome”.

    This outbreak, began in an Eastern Parish in Bermuda.

    I’ll update later.

    Dr. Rummy Ph.D; OBGYN; RN; R.S.V.P.

  121. Uncle Elvis: “The difference is: One is a well-documented response with established psychological and psychoanalytic explanations.
    The other is the construct of a single writer, turning a phrase.”

    LaVerne: “My search of the internet tells me that other scholars concur with Dr. Joy Degruy’s analysis. But, I understand why you and others would dismiss her research.”

    And yes, if someone suffers from any trauma, especially emotional trauma, like rape, their descendants suffer as well.

  122. Yeah. I read all that. I don’t get why you’re reposting it.

    Why are you evading my questions?
    You said “But, I understand why you and others would dismiss her research.”, but didn’t go any further.
    Is it because of the colour of my skin?
    Why can’t you just come out and say why I “and others would dismiss her research”?

    How about the rest of my post, where I explain that I didn’t dismiss her research.

    Why can’t you just talk to me?

  123. UE, LaVerne can be a pain in the ass just like the rest of ‘US’. You know where she works, you know where she lives.

    I must admit in all the years I have know her she is always open to conversation and easily accessable.

    …never thought I would come to her defence. Looking back, she made a mistake about the confused Portagee stuff.

    Where the hell is Rodney King when we need him.

    A great day too all.

    Gotta run………

  124. @ Ms. Furbert – I’m with you on some of this, but can’t agree with this: “And yes, if someone suffers from any trauma, especially emotional trauma, like rape, their descendants suffer as well.”

    That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. The act of violence was committed on someone, I understand them being traumatised, but what is the mechanism of this transferal to their child? It’s not genetic, it has to be through concious action.

    The only way a rape victim’s child would feel any affect of the rape is if that rape victim treated them differently from any other child. Such as telling ‘if only I hadn’t been raped, you wouldn’t be here’. And that would be traumatising.

    It would not, however, be a rape trauma. It would be a different kind of trauma, related to self-worth.

    Whereas this post slave syndrome by definition has to exist between generations, or else it would no longer exist.

  125. Slowhand,

    In my opinion you are quite correct. For example the children of a woman who been raped will suffer because their other has suffered, but no, they will suffer in the same way. As I see it, African people who were enslaved, suffered. And their descendants suffer(ed), but not in the same way.

    Elvis, I don’t know the colour of your skin. I don’t know you. The only poster I know on this site and have seen in person is Jonathan. It’s your thinking that I question. Let me be clear, I have friends of all persuasions.

  126. UE…

    It is often very difficult to continue with a point of view, where there is no logic to it.

    Likewise, silence is often an indicator of acceptance.

  127. How about these instead:

    Mrs. Furbert can you please explain why:

    1. The education system is in a shambles assisted in no small part by the PLP’s (how many different ministers in 11 years was it again?) lack of commitment to improving the lives of young Bermudians;

    2. As a partial result of the failure of the PLP to deal with the above item, serious gun related crime is at an all time high;

    3. Our debt level is at record levels which will significantly impact the tax burden of future generations (i.e. me, my children and yours);

    4. The budget has tripled in 11 years;

    5. Given that you appear to support the concept of ratings agencies (even foreign ones for that matter), Dr. Brown’s approval rating is abysmally low;

    6. Compared to our neighbors to the south our tourism numbers are down even greater (irregardless of the current economic climate); and

    7. Unchecked spending and numerous documented instances of abuse of process in a number of ministries, but especially those involving the Premier and W&E (as recently confirmed by Mr. Burgess when he admitted Cabinet routinely overrule the civil service on capital expenditure projects).

  128. 32n64w,

    I have never stated that I speak for the PLP, I am a member of the PLP and defend the Party when I believe it is necessary. No doubt, whatever answers I provide to you, they will be criticised.

    1. They education system was in a shambles long before the PLP came to power. Additionally, most countries are struggling with education and the PLP is no dfferent. To say that the PLP is not committed to improving the lives of young Bermudians is as far from the truth as one can get.

    I don’t think that gun related crime has anything to do with the education system.

    I cannot answer #3, I know nothing about debt levels, however, I’m sure the Minister of Finance has addressed this more than one via press releases and ministerial statements.

    4. My personal budget has also increased, as has my salary.

    5. I think Dr. Brown’s rating are low because of the negative media attention given to him.

    6. I get news reports from the Caribbean all the time and know that Bermuda’s tourism figures are no different from those in the Caribbean.

    7. Can you show me documented evidence of the allegations that you present?

    Mambo,

    Do you think that when a white Englishman, who was my supervisor at the Bank of Bermuda several years ago used to call me “Golligwog” he was being racist?

  129. Hello Ms Furbert…

    Just a couple of thoughts on what you have said.

    1. On education, you are right. It was a mess pre-1998 although I am sure some will disagree with me on that. The real issue though is what has the Government done in the last 11 years to turn the mess around into something that is better.

    And – it’s difficult – because at the heart of poor education systems around the world are a number of common issues, not least of which is poor teachers.

    Very few Governments seem willing to tackle that, and I don’t think this Government is going to be any different if for no other reason teachers = votes = employment etc etc.

    2. Golligwog. I knew a black guy in the UK who called his grandchildren “Chocolate Drops”…but as he said, “No one else can do so”. It’s a bit like being called “whitey”….we get used to it. Doesn’t make it right though.

  130. Lavvy

    Yes I do although it doesn’t convey the same pejorative spite and racist overtones as calling someone s@mbo. Growing up in an area blighted by NF racism it’s a judgement I feel I can make. If the worst thing that had ever happened to me was being called a golliwog by my supervisor then I doubt whether I’d have grown up to be such a bigot but hey.

  131. Mike,

    My family has been involved in teacher for several generations so I won’t accept that we have poor teachers. Maybe there are some teachers that can be described as “poor”, I don’t think they’re in the majority.

    I also believe that as long as parents do their job, our students will excel.

    As far as “teachers = votes = employment”, I don’t think that there’s a way that MPs can tell what a teacher, or anyone else does, once they go behind those curtains.

    If you think a man calling his grandchildren “Chocolate Drops” equates to a white, English boss, calling a black female staff member “Golliwog”, so be it. I have never called anyone “whitey”. I think it’s an offensive term, just like the term “nigger”.

  132. How can one debate/argue with a person who justifies a budget that has TRIPLED by claiming that their’s has also increased???
    So if your monthly $250 Belco bill tripled to $750 over 11 years you would be ok with that?
    And if you are lucky enough to have tripled your income over any 11year period, let alone a recessionary period, then I want some of them there ‘perks’ too!!!! Dayam!!!

  133. Slowhand – don’t forget that our glorious leader has had his salary exponentially increase through wage hikes and the assumption of various job titles.

  134. It’s time for me to be over and out of here. When you you all get insulting and rude and disrespectful, it’s time for me to discontinue the conversation. My name is LaVerne or Ms. Furbert, not Lavvy. I don’t hide behind pseudonyms.

  135. Ms Furbert – when you start lecturing people on being rude and disrespectful it’s best not to call them S@mbos at the same time as it kind of invalidates anything else you have to say.

  136. Mambo, LaVerne is correct, please refer to her by her proper name, just as she should refer to you by your psuedonym and not in a denigratory way as you refer to. Two wrongs do not make a right, as I’m sure we all are mature enough to know by now.

  137. Mambo,

    You should know better… remember some of her best friends are white people!! Oh… wait…. I think thats the reason why she can call White people names…. I think its because she has that syndrome… I don’t know anymore….

    She’ll be back anyway… she always promises to leave and then comes back, no worries…

  138. I believe that both blacks and whites suffer from post traumatic slave syndrome, although in different ways, just as I believe that the rapist and the person who has been raped both suffer.

  139. Can whites (who at one point in time were also slaves themselves) also suffer from PTSS, or is it an African-American only construct related soley to the transatlantic slave trade?

    And what exactly is post-traumatic slave owner syndrome? Hypothetically speaking, If I were white (or had white ancestors – even if they went back 200 years), how would I know if I was suffering?

  140. Realty,

    Or did you mean to call yourself “Reality”, you really are not interested in the topic, but if I’m mistaken, and you are interested in learning more, Google “Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome”. I’m sure Dr. Degruy has a website with frequently asked questions, and another one for unfrequently asked questions.

    But I can tell you, from reading your post, you are suffering from something.

  141. Nope. Just wondering if you were a woman of your word. Evidently not. I think I already knew that though.

  142. @LaVerne

    post traumatic slave syndrome

    I didn’t mention Fred Barritt’s column, or Stockholm Syndrome, because I was only interested in this term (above), so let’s get back to it.

    As to the book: I could show you books about how the Maya are one of the lost tribes of Israel, books about how the WTC towers were actually brought down by pre-planted bombs on 9/11, a book about how the attack on Pearl Harbor (sic) was actually a conspiracy including Churchill – the list goes on and on. Oh, and books by very respected academics (well, they were back then) explaining how skull measurements of Africans proved that they were inherently mentally inferior. Just because something’s in an impressive-looking book full of scholarly footnotes doesn’t mean it’s not utter balderdash.

    The thing that’s really most outrageous about this bogus syndrome is that it’s trading on – and thereby diminishing – the real victims of a very terrible condition, PTSD: people who were themselves (i.e. not some distant ancestor) severely abused as children, or who have seen horrible violence (either in war, or in crime). For many of these people, their lives are utterly destroyed, and they never recover.

    The closest analogue to this daffy ‘post traumatic slave syndrome’ are the people who are the (real) victims of something called ‘recovered memory’ specialists, wherein people are convinced by incompetent and misguided (at best) ‘specialists’ (also holders of high degrees) that they were abused as children – when they actually weren’t. This is an analogue in another way, too – the ‘victims’ in these cases come away from their ‘treatment’ by ‘specialists’ truly damaged, because after the ‘treatment’ they usually really do believe these false memories.

    The final irony is that if I really despised black people, I could think of few better ways to really mess them up than get them to believe (en masse) that something called PTSS exists, and that, like the ‘abused’ ‘recovered-memory’ adults, they suffer from it.

  143. Bump – can Laverne please answer Uncle Elvis’ question?

    And the point I was trying to make about having white ancestors was this; if somebody is seen as ‘black’ today, but does in fact have white ancestors (who in this case were slave owners 200+ years ago), can they also suffer from post traumatic slave owners syndrome in the way you claim whites do? If not, what is the difference between this person (above) and a white person with ancestors in the same boat (slave owners)…heck, what if they even shared the same ancestor(s)?!

  144. I didn’t realise I was on a witness stand and you all are a panel of judges. Look at your language. Like “can Laverne please answer Elvis’ question”. Who are you people. And you wonder why we have a problem with race in this country.

    Once again, read the book yourselves. Have you online debate with Dr. Degruy. Or better still, when she comes to Bermuda again, go to her lecture. It’s her thesis, not mine.

    If only you could bring out your whips!!

  145. After having this thread pushed off of the recent post list I just wanted to ‘bump’ it back to the top…there was nothing sinister about what I said. If you can’t see an apple for an apple, I can’t help you there. Race has nothing to do with anything I said and what makes you think I’m white? Assumptions and prejudices are what cause ‘problems with race in this country’, something you clearly have no problem expressing yourself. If you simply answered questions posed to you by others there wouldn’t be a need for this pointless back and forth banter. And my whips? Really? You must have some warped mind or something because that thought has never crossed my mind. But I forgot, you think I’m white and since you think all whites are racists who like to lynch blacks, I must have whips in my garage…ready for action. Whatever.

  146. First off, Ms. Furbert, “you people”? Isn’t that an offensive phrase when referring to folks by the colour of their skin? Oh, yeah. You don’t know the colour of our skin.

    Secondly, I was asking what your opinion was, not what the good doctor has to say. You brought up the topic, I was looking for elucidation.

    Thirdly, “Bring your whips”? Really? Is that the kind of language that will bring us together? I’ve been nothing but polite to you, asking your opinion on a topic that you brought up and you respond with an outright racist attack on me (being a member of “you people”)?

    Why?

  147. If only you could bring out your whips!!

    Isn’t that what the PLP did during the recent non-confidence vote?

  148. Elvis,

    I mean “you people” who blog on this site. If you want to take it another way, that’s your problem, not mine. I said nothing about the colour of anyone’s skin.

    I already gave you my opinion of it and that’s not you were trying to do. You, and the other people were trying to goad me as you always do. I am not a stupid woman. I’ve been around a long time.

    You have no interest in people being together, if you were, your discussion with me on this site would be completely different. I told you already I don’t know you, don’t know what colour or sex you are. All I know is that you post as “Uncle Elvis”. Also as I said, the only person I know for a fact who post on this blog is Jonathan Starling. I know what he looks like, what sex he is, where is used to live before he left Bermuda to go back to school and where he used to work.

    Realty,

    Like Elvis, I don’t know who you are so I don’t know what colour you are. But the way that you all post gives me the impression that you want to whip me into shape. Take that any way you want.

    I would suggest that you all join the Big Conversation and then maybe you’ll understand why some of your remarks are offensive. Everybody on this site knows who I am and what I look like.

  149. No, Ms. Furbert, you don’t know that. I am not, nor do I, try to goad you.
    I simply ask for clarification on your position.
    Another question: You say, “You have no interest in people being together, if you were your discussion with me on this site would be completely different.”

    First off, have I ever given the impression that this very thing is the reason that I frequent these blogs and forums? If so, I apologize.
    Secondly, how would my discussion be, with you? Would I not ask questions? I’m very curious. Have I been rude to you on this site? Have I shown anything but respect for you?

    As for your knowledge or lack thereof of who I am, I find it baffling, as we have had this discussion on numerous occasions and I have explained, sometimes in great detail, exactly who I am. I’ve described myself, provided pictures, there are videos of me on YouTube. I’ve told you my name, where I work, etc. My identity is no secret, whatsoever. I have even said “Good afternoon” to you on the street a couple of times and waved a greeting when you were too far away.

    How can you NOT know who I am after all that?

    And I HAVE joined the Big Conversation and was, in fact, asked by the doctor lady whose name escapes me at the moment, if I could come back and run some of the small groups they do.

    I would dearly love to know what is so offensive to you about my remarks on this site.

  150. Elvis,

    I still have no idea who you are. I have seen no viedos or pictures of you. Lots of people hail me on the street and speak to me. The next time you see me come up and introduce yourself.

  151. Wow.

    Thank you, Ms. Furbert. Thank you very much.
    You just let me know that you have absolutely no interest in listening to anything I say, nor have you ever.
    Whether it’s the colour of my skin or just that I have disagreed with you in the past and have debunked a few mistruths that you’ve laid out there, I don’t know, but after ALL the times that you’ve accused me, personally, of “hiding behind a penname”, only to be proved wrong again and again by me exposing my identity, for you to claim that you don’t have any idea of my race or gender shows to me that you either just don’t read my posts, that you DO read them, but your memory isn’t very good and you’ve forgotten… or that you are fibbing about it. My guess, based on past experience with you and yours, would be the latter.

    Either way, I will continue to post to you in the same respectful way that I have on this site, but simply out of respect for Jonny, who seems to hold you and your views in high regard. I don’t.

    And for you to ignore everything else in that post shows to me that you have no interest in discussion, as you claim to do, only pushing an agenda.

    I find it disgusting, this level of racism.

  152. Oh Uncle Elvis. You take things too personal. Thats her job.

    Everyone on the blogs know whom you are. Everyone knows where you work. Everyone knows what you have done in your life.

    LaVerne is just going back to her old homestead in the region of West Africa called “Furbozooland”, and area just north of the Congo where they shipped Brown people overseas.

    After college, I attended the WAIDHOAWDICFAHMD conferance.

    “What Am I Doing Here…………fill in the balnks.

    Gotta run…..CD sanzsoring tings again………………Don’t worry…..MI5 got his number…………

  153. Elvis,

    I have invited you to call me and discuss anything you want with me, but you have refused to do so. You know where I work and my telephone number is listed. If you’re really sincere, you would pick up the telephone and have a conversation with me. I think that I am an honest person, but if you want to accuse me of “fibbing” so be it.

    I really don’t see why I should have a personal discussion with you via this blog.

    Rummy says everyone on this blog knows you and knows where you work. That is untrue, I do not know you and I do not know where you work. But if you want to pass that information on in your response I’ll stop by your workplace tomorrow, or you can stop by mine. I work at the Bermuda Industrial Union.

    As far as you hiding behind a penname, I checked the Voters Register and I don’t see any voters listed with the name “Unlce Elvis”. If you check the voters register you will see my name listed as LaVerne Furbert.

    As I continue to say, I have no idea what colour your skin is, and it really doesn’t matter to me. I don’t understand why you keep bringing it up, because I never do.

    I can tell you this much though, when I attend family functions, there are black people there, white people there, Indian people there, mixed race people (Black and white) (Indian and black), there are Muslims there, Christians there, in fact, I love my family get-togethers because there is always such a diversity of people representing several nations. And, for your information, that’s on both sides of my family. I think it’s wonderful for my grandchildren, because as a child, I never had that experience, that is until I went to school in Canada.

    So if you want to continue to think that I have a problem with you because of the colour of your skin, go right ahead.

    I’m sorry that you find my comments disgusting. I also find some of your disgusting.

    But, as I offered, if you really want to talk to me, give me a call.

    Rummy,

    I would love to find out where my “homestead” is, whether it is West Africa, South Africa or North Africa. I really would like to know where my African ancestors come from. I know where my ancestors come from.

  154. Re-read your last post LaVerne. Please……”I would love to find out”….”I know where my ancestors came from”…

    Um gunna go crwal heal club ann have a drink………………….

    You guys acutually belive this crap?

    Uncle Elvis………………..Frank Sinatra spoke of “Cycles”………then there’s laughter, then those tears….

    Gotta run

    BIU giving away free $500 grocery vouchers if you turn up for the Santral Cummitee Meating……………………………..

    Anarchy. Someone send me an email as to what that means with the current recipe………………………….

  155. Never mind.

    I’m sure there’s a reason that you’ve ignored all the other times that I’ve told you my true identity, if, in fact, you have.

    You’ve either not read it or aren’t telling the truth.
    Either way, you show that you have no interest in what I have to say.

    For example, you say “I’m sorry that you find my comments disgusting. I also find some of your disgusting.”

    I notice two things. One is a rewriting of what was said (I said that I find your racism to be disgusting, not your comments) and two, that you don’t point out any comments of mine that you find disgusting.
    I don’t recall any that could be construed as such and would love to know which ones of mine, specifically, that you find disgusting.

    But I think I can safely assume that you won’t actually point them out. My guess would be because there aren’t any, but I stand to be corrected.

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