The New Cabinet Appointees

I am a little surprised at the new Cabinet appointees.

I am not at all surprised at Michael Scott being reappointed as a Minister, and the Energy Minister at that. He’s got experience as a Minister already and his previous role as Telecommunications Minister, though different, will aid him in his new post.

Nor am I surprised that Walter Roban was given a formal portfolio, especially as he was already a Minister without Portfolio (albeit for just a short time). He’s a dedicated worker and he’ll put a lot of effort into his new position. What I am surprised about is that he was given the Ministry of Health. I had expected Neletha Butterfield to be moved from Culture/Social Rehab to Education, and Mr. Roban being given Culture/Social Rehab.

I wasn’t even surprised at a Senator being given a Cabinet position, although I didn’t expect it to be Ms. Wilson, the Attorney General. I would have expected Walton Brown to be a good choice. Having said that, I understand only two Senators can sit in Cabinet as per the Bermudian Constitution, and Senator Burch and Senator Wilson already sit in Cabinet (I believe the Attorney General is a Cabinet position?).

All the same, these appointments do seem to reinforce the perception that Dr. Brown’s support amongst the PLP MPs is incredibly weak – especially when one notes that apparently the late Nelson Bascome, who was tragically taken from us this morning, was supposed to take on the Education Ministry in addition to his Health Ministry (so Michael Scott would have been the only other Minister appointed).

Particularly worrying is the continual crisis of our education system – these disruptions and doubling up of the Attorney General and Education Ministry, are not exactly helpful. Of note also is the fact that the new Education Minister is only a temporary appointment. Which means further disruption in a few months time. Whether the new Education Minister will be doubled up with another, or will be the victor of the unfortunately imminent by-election, is another question altogether. Myself, I get the impression that Dr. Brown will hope for things to quiet down over the summer recess and initiate a Cabinet shuffle in advance of the Fall Annual Delegates Convention.

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77 thoughts on “The New Cabinet Appointees

  1. Jonathan,

    Where do you get your information from? The only reason Walter has been appointed as the Health Minister is because of the sudden death of Nelson Bascome. What don’t you get your facts right before you put out information?

  2. JS,

    Do you see Ms. Wilson as possibly carrying a conflict of interest due to her newly (and I realize temporary) duties? Doesn’t the AG have enough on her/his plate to be inundated with the responsibility of another portfolio, especialy education? Isn’t our education screwed up enough that it demands that a minister be solely dedicated to this area?

    My condolences to Mr. Bascome and his family. I know one of his children very well and he (Mr. Bascome) was always a friendly face to me.

    Ms. Furbert,

    I want to be the first to officially nominate you as a candidate for Dr. Brown’s new “Ministry of White People.” Would you accept and what would your policies entail? I have a slight idea already:)

  3. Ms Furbert, I believed that is what he said…he just said he was surprised as he had expected a different appointment I suppose. This is a political blog, not a news report, he can speculate and criticize all he wants, I believe we are still free to do that.

  4. Ms Furbert,

    Two things:
    1) you do not always get your facts right, so your glass house is threatened by your own stones.
    2) we’re waiting for you to be equally quick and as vociferously full of praise when Jonathan does get his facts right, which is most of the time. Or do you only know how to condemn?

  5. Um, LaVerne, I pointed out that fact. I said that it was going to be just Nelson doubling up and Mr. Scott appointed to Energy – and that due to the tragedy of Mr. Bascome’s passing things had to be changed up.

    I was just surprised that Walter got health, I thought he would be given Culture/Social Rehab, Neletha given Education, Michael Energy, and it might make sense to have given Health to someone else.

    That’s all.

  6. Jonathan,

    Have a heart. 2 cabinet ministers resigned on Friday night, one died at 6:00 a.m. this morning. Both El James and Terry Lister professed to be friends of the Premier and I know for a fact that Nelson was indeed a friend. I think that’s a bit much for even the best of people to handle, and as you and others think, Ewart Brown is not among the best. As a political pundit you should know that things don’t get put right that quickly. You and your bloggers are most insensitive. But, do I expect more? No ……ing way!!

  7. I have no doubt that it is a trying time for Dr. Brown, and I think we all agree that Nelson’s loss is a great tragedy. I wouldn’t even blame him making Paula acting Premier for the immediate period. I’m just saying that I was surprised Walter was given Health, although as I stated, he will put a lot fo dedication into it, he’s a good guy and very committed to the tasks he’s given. I just thought he’ld be better in Culture/Social Rehab. That’s all. However, as I said, I expect a cabinet shuffle after the summer recess.

  8. Sadly Ms Furbert, there is really nothing to be ‘sensitive’ about.

    ‘Sensitivity’ is not part of the Premier’s makeup. Indeed, in so far as the public figure is concerned, I haven’t even seen ’empathy’ as a trait, let alone sympathy.

    I am equally confident that as a family member he is – to you – something different to that. I would not expect you tothink otherwise.

    The problem is, he is also a leader of a country. If you think that the problem is with white people, you are living in a different world and fighting the wrong people.

    What I despise ‘most’ about your family member is the way that he has walked away from those who put their trust in him, i.e the people you claim the PLP represents – the workers.

    If you can find it, I strongly suggest you re-read the Party’s Mission statement.

  9. Dr. Brown is as human as any other citizen – while there are safeguards within the systems, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have feelings.

    I don’t think people fully understand the discourse on race, re white people, at least Whites responding to the PLP rhetoric. I don’t know how many times we have to go over the same arguments. People listen, but they don’t listen.

  10. Jonathan, there is no discourse on race. There is only the bigotry that persists in people treating others differently because of the colour of their skin. Walter Roban is one of those bigots.

    I know YOU do not treat people differently because of their pigmentation. I don’t either. I also know El James, Terry Lister, Dale Butler, and the late Nelson Bascome didn’t either. Well, at least not to me.

    To claim that the haranguing harpies are having discourse on race is disingenuous at best.

  11. It amazes me that the leadership was not put to a vote. What are they smoking? With the last two resignations, and those refusing to return to Cabinet, the PLP Cabinet simply cannot achieve anything great under Brown anymore. How can anyone carry two unrelated portfolios even for the short term, especially when one requires more than a full time Minister?

    Education should be handled exclusively by a single, full-time Minister, and considering the long term ramifications that a poor education system has had on the PLP’s core, it is an absolute insult that they would leave a Premier in power who has no options left but to handicap public education! We’re about to put in place a new curriculum, and here we have another Minister being put in power? The PLP should be ashamed of itself! It is selling itself, and collectively all of us, down the river.

    The idea that it is trying to bring about equality of any sort is a total farce! How can you make that claim when you are willing to sacrifice public education? It just boggles the mind! If the UBP handled public education in this manner, can you just imagine the claims of racism that would be coming up? Oh yeah, the UBP closed Tech, those racist bastards! So what is the PLP? Does their attitude towards public education make them racists too? The irony!

  12. Jonathan,

    If there is one thing I have learned over the last few day’s , it is that there are no safeguards.

    At the risk of repitition, he has castrated his Cabinet, he has castrated his MP’s, he has neutered the political system – as Paula Cox suggested.

    And the membership of the PLP just sit there, and watch it happen – probably off the back of history. What a great way to run a country!

    Well – good luck to all who fly under her banner is all I can say, because each and every one of those members deserve what they get.

  13. Laverne, if anything is insensitive it’s the need of the PLP to insert EFB into everything – just look at http://www.plp.bm/node/2066 and you’ll see that Mr. Bascome’s loss has been turned into a photo-op for the Premier – if you ever had any doubts that EFB’s world revolves around EFB, doubt no more. Sad really. I thought even he was bigger than that.

  14. If you look through each page of posts, every photo is of Brown. The rest of the PLP are bit players in a small time show.

  15. I don’t feel one bit sorry or empathetic for Dr. Brown, I feel sorry for Nelson’s family and friends!!!
    The PLP are literally falling apart and the STRESS is taking its toll on members.

  16. Blankman expressed my thoughts. It seems he takes every opportunity to shed the limelight on himself regardless of the moment. Define limelight? Use your own judgement. Most things that happen on island and off are used by him to be front and centre. This I believe is because of his own insecurity in these trying times.

    His popularity is ziltch. Even with his own party members and his Cabinet and fellow collegues. It’s all about him and the ironic part is as I stated prior his own party and voters are fed up with him yet they don’t have the courage to come together and make a change.

    One day he will no longer be Premier. One day he will no longer be a Member of Parliament. And, when that day comes and hhis supporters look too where he is and what he is doing it will be too late to ask questions after the fact.

    Some want to legalise gambling in Bermuda. It’s already very lawfull and the populas is playing with a stacked deck.

    This too will come to pass. Mark my words.

  17. Sara,

    It really doesn’t matter how you or the others feel about Dr. Brown. The fact remains that the majority of PLP members believe that Dr. Brown is a good leader, in spite of his flaws. I’m sure you all are angry right now that he remains the Premier.

  18. LaVerne Furbert

    Sara,

    It really doesn’t matter how you or the others feel about Dr. Brown. The fact remains that the majority of PLP members believe that Dr. Brown is a good leader, in spite of his flaws. I’m sure you all are angry right now that he remains the Premier.

    Sara says:

    I know it doesn’t matter what the people think Laverne. Believe me, we are WELL AWARE of that by now.

    Regards,

  19. Actually Ms Furbert, I don’t think anger is the prevailing emotion at all.

    Disappointed – yes. Concerned – yes. Worried for the ‘other people’ in Bermuda who don’t get a fair shake from this Government – yes.

    Worried that his recent actions have effectively neutered the political system – yes.

    Anger? No – not really.

  20. “that the majority of PLP members believe that Dr. Brown is a good leader”

    Once again you show how the PLP puts party before country. Basically only the views and opinions of the PLP members count right? The rest of the electorate does not matter. You really don’t understand democrarcy do you? No matter how much you use your age as a scapegoat you still haven’t been able to grasp the fundamental tenets of a democracy. Pretty sad and scary. I suggest you do some further research.

    “Have a heart. 2 cabinet ministers resigned on Friday night, one died at 6:00 a.m. this morning”

    Why should we feel sorry for Dr. Brown in regards to the two ministers resigning? It was his own doing. He made his own bed with his undemocratic and dictator like actions and now he must lie in it and face the consequences of his own actions. The RG, UBP and whites did not create that political mess/fiasco. It was created solely by the actions of a man who disregards the opinions of the electorate as well as the individuals that have been elected to represent the views of the people.

    So don’t act like we should feel sorry for Dr. Brown or the PLP. I have no respect for a mant hat calls one of his Ministers the “Minister of White People” because she has white friends. It is telling the actual views that the PLP hold now towards individuals that don’t look like them with their undying support of a man with such outdated and disgusting views.

    But can and do we expect better from this administration? No ….ing way!!

  21. Forgot to add:

    Saddened – that after years of white domination, politically and otherwise, the PLP has chosen consciously not to take the ‘high road’ but to instigate a ‘they did so we can’ approach, i.e. the politics of revenge.

    Is that something to be proud of? Well – maybe to some I guess.

  22. “I know YOU do not treat people differently because of their pigmentation. I don’t either. I also know El James, Terry Lister, Dale Butler, and the late Nelson Bascome didn’t either. Well, at least not to me.”

    this is ridiculous as you don’t really know these men as you don’t really know dr. brown – you know what the the royal gazette sez.

    until you hear dr. brown say “minister of white people” its just hearsay – i mean rene webb is the govt. minister who said she wants more govt. $$$ for people who look like her – yet know she’s the voice for white bda – it’s all whining because she’s on the outside – like perenchief horton etc. – when their in the circle they have nothing but good things to say – when they’re out – they start kevetching.”

    and that’s when u bozos get excited – when alex scott was prem – the haters hated him now that he’s attacking his own – they love him

    the more you hate – they stronger we get – history tells us that – the plp will emerge stronger, battle tested tighter than ever 🙂 c ya at the next election

  23. Ah – good to see the voice of reason attempt to undo all the good. Must keep the troups together at all costs.

    Kevetch? Too funny – especially as you spell it kvetch.

  24. ” i mean rene webb is the govt. minister who said she wants more govt. $$$ for people who look like her ”

    I have no problem with a statement such as that. I also agreed with Mr. Devent when he reiterated this stance either inlate 2008 or early 2009. Entrepreneurs and small businesses that have been historically disadvantaged should be giving anadvantage in order to remain viable. There was nothing wrong with that statement.

    But there is a whole lot wrong when the Premier of a country names their own Minister or colleague the “Minister of White People.” I understand that due to your upbringing that type of behavior is deemed acceptable. But I guess it fits into your agenda, for as you stated on Bdasux the other day how you are watching the racial divide getting bigger in this island with a smiley face at the end of the statement. You are sick and need help. Do you use that hateful and racial rhetoric towards your white Canadian friends or your mothers white friends that she stated that she has listed?

    So “steve” are you stating that Ms. Webb or the RG are lying? Why would she lie? Not a good tactic to move back into Dr. Brown’s good books and back into the fold. What would she gain from stating her past experiences? Think she is making a move to the UBP?

    All that came out of this was confirmation of what you, I and everyone else already knew. The PLP (well this administration and current Central Committee at least) are intolerant of people that differ from them in any way. if you are white your opinion is null and void. If you are black and disagree with Dr. Brown then you fall into the white category. If you are part of the administration and disagree, well we all know what happens then (Horton, Lister, Butler, Perinchief et al).

    You and your kin can remind blind loyalists that put the party over your (well at least your relatives country) country. Despite your ignorant beliefs and statements I AM Bermudian and my future is just as much at stake as my black Bermudian brethren. So my opinion is just as valid as your mothers and yours.

    Dr. Brown has become a liability for this country and its peoples. Maybe not your immediate peoples (i.e. your family) as they are so well connected, but over 2/3s of us that aren’t on the friends and family plan feel that way. And you won’t be able to nullify that fact very easily, despite what the oh so powerful Central Committee might say.

  25. Steve, you are as mistaken as always. Unless you’re stalking me, and knowing just what interpersonal relationships I have. But if you did know that info, then you would also know that what you just wrote was a lie. Not exactly out of character for you now, is that?

    Run along and play with the other children, the grown-ups are talking.

  26. ahh – the hatred is still flowing thick – nice – it feels like hey 5 years ago:

    Re: Minister of Expatriot Relations
    October 07, 2005, 01:17:38 PM

    Captain Canuck
    Moderator
    Superhero Member

    i read that article today and was completely appalled. Premier Scott you should be ashamed of yourself! The worst part is he’ll play the ‘Iggrunt Card’ and ‘make it all better’. There’s nothing but scandal and smoke screens with this guy.

    “Doesn’t anyone else SEE this?!?!…i feel like i’m taking frickin Crazy Pills!!!”

    CC

    hmmm – notice the codes – smoke screens, scandal – the anger – kinda the same nonsense that’s now being thrown at dr. brown and was probably thrown at jen smith

    but it’s just about dr. brown = yeah – right

    with friendly sites like this starling -who needs enemies…

  27. another nugget of what u thought about the previous PLP premier and another example of how its really not about dr. brown it’s about a BLK govt. – ain’t it – spin it any you want –

  28. “gottagetoutahere
    Newbie
    *

    Karma: 6

    Re: Out! Out damned Scott!
    « Reply #3 on: October 06, 2005, 07:03:54 PM »

    THink about it, Premier Scott is doing more to self distruct his party then any member of the opposition ever could. I say leave him in for a little longer…

  29. “with friendly sites like this starling -who needs enemies…”

    True in many respects I suppose – LOL! Again though, I can no more control who comments and what they say than yourself on your blog attempts. How do you think we can boost newer voices online? Actually, I’ll make that into its own thread.

    I do agree with Steve where he points out that the ‘attack the Leader’ game is the same as under Alex Scott, and no doubt would have been with Ms. Smith had the blogs been active like they are today. In some ways it’s unavoidable, they are the Leader of the Party and as such the lightning rod for criticism. But the voices that criticise Dr. Brown (and say its about him and not the Party) do certainly sound the same as those who spoke about Mr. Scott in this way.

    I include myself in this by the way. Before the blogs existed as they do now I made frequent use of the Letters to the Editor’s of both papers, and critiqued the PLP as led by Ms. Smith and Mr. Scott. My critique is largely the same now as it was then (which is why I stress my criticism is not personal) and is based on an ideological one. The blogs just accelerate the discussion I guess.

  30. and another one:

    sigh
    Full Member
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    Re: Berkeley Bonanza
    « Reply #10 on: October 21, 2005, 03:47:15 PM »

    “Don’t you see that His Royal Highness, the Almighty Alex Scott, is right about the media! They just want to tarnish his reputation and take aim at the marvelous party in power. For shame, calling on reporters to get the truth out. The truth is what the esteemed leader tells us it is.

    Independence….Good.
    Rent that is only $300 a month (even if it is an inhabitable apartment)….Good.
    $11 million to cricket….Good.
    PLP in power forever……Good.
    Democracy?.Bad.

    (Yikes, have I been brainwashed?Huh??)”

    hmm – all these posts are almost 5 years old and about a whole different admin – yet they’re saying the same things – again – this is really not about dr. brown – it’s about hatred of a blk govt.

  31. “Don’t you see that His Royal Highness, the Almighty Alex Scott, is right about the media! They just want to tarnish his reputation and take aim at the marvelous party in power.”

    alex scott felt the media was doing this in 2005 – the more things change – and the same whites who find the racist gazette truthful back then still do today – and the rest of us know that zuil is a hate filled racist as always

  32. “But the voices that criticise Dr. Brown (and say its about him and not the Party) do certainly sound the same as those who spoke about Mr. Scott in this way.”

    finally some truth

  33. So going off your twisted logic we should take your hateful rants and rhetoric as representing the whole black race then? Those individuals are not me and never will be. You can blame it on being a black Govt all you want.

    Race is all you got to defend the actions of a Premier who disregards the input and opinions of his very own cabinet. Without the differing skin colors you would have no way of rebutting anything. How do you view Mr. Lister, Mr. James, Mr. Butler now? Confused negroes perhaps? Well as your mother pointed out these individuals only “professed to being teh Premiers friends” so they are probably fake haters perhaps?

    Not once have you ever debated the fact that Premier broke the constitution (laws to protect BDA and ALL Bermudians) and “politically neutered” his own cabinet during a DEMOCRATIC decision making process. Or how he used his own whip to say one thing one day and then like a snake try to sneak past legislation with his own detractors out of teh room. Guess you don’t need to do talk about that stuff when all you see is black and white like your cousin.

    But continue with your nastiness from aborad. Just stay away from here as we don’t need another sycophant trying to fan the flames of divisivenss. Your family are doing a great job at dividing this island even further without your help.

  34. I just checked the PLP website and I see one photo of the Premier and Minister Bascome, which think is quite appropriate, but I’m not surprised that people on this site would have a problem with Dr. Brown sharing a photo of him and Minister Bascome, after all they were very dear friends.

    I think it’s something you’re all missing.
    1. Dr. Brown was elected as leader of the PLP on October 27, 2006 for a four year period.

    2. On December 18, 2008, the majority of people in Bermuda returned the PLP to power (3rd time) under the leadership of Dr. Brown.

    3. On May 4, 2009, after some complaining by some members of the Party at a well attended meeting of the Central Committee, the membership affirmed their confidence in the Leader of the Party.

    4. On July 13, 2009, the membership of the PLP once again affirmed their confidence in the leader of the Party.

    So, what’s the problem? No, every PLP member is not supportive of Dr. Brown’s leadership, but the majority are.

    That’s all that matters at this point. The majority of people in Bermuda are happy with Dr. Brown as the premier, if they were not, maybe Kim Swan would be the Premier.

  35. Dang Steve – that’s a lot of postings!

    LaVerne, I think you should just qualify your last statement by saying the majority of Bermudians are happy with the PLP as government; the poll results even before the 2007 election don’t support the argument that the majority are happy with Dr. Brown as Premier. I see where you’re coming from all the same, but strictly speaking only the majority of voters in his constituency are happy with Dr. Brown as a candidate.

    9PS – I think Steve is just pointing out that the criticisms of Dr. Brown, qualified with ‘the rest of the Party are cool though, just change the Leader’, is nothing new and happened under Ms. Smith and Mr. Scott.

  36. Here’s a test.

    Take Brown out (figuratively speaking of course), and watch the blogs go quiet. Watch the Letters totheEd reduce to next to nothing.

    Then you will see it’s about Brown – not a Black Government.

    Out of interest, does anyone know when we had the last ALL white Governement?

  37. Zuill reports the facts as aquired. Please check your stats on Dr.Brown and or Alex Scott and Jeniffer. They represent the Party. The party is pissed. So go figure.

    As for blogs and LTE thats neither here nor there. The same thing was said about John Swan, David Saul, Dr. Stubbs et al.

    In the ‘olden days’ it took time to get the message out. Today it’s instantaneous and fools like you Steve will never get it because you have it and don’t want to share it.

    When the ‘chips’ fall let the Onion famine begin.

  38. 1. There in lies the problem. We the people should decide who leads OUR country. Not a bunch of biased Central Committee pary members.

    2. No one disputes that they won fair and square. So basically what you are incinuating is that between elections the voters should just shut up and take what’s given to them. The Furbert/Chapman school of democracy.

    3. The membership might have approved, but more then 2/3s of the electorate don’t. But like I said, “Party before country.” Another great example of democracy at work (sarcasm).

    4. See point 3.

    Again you don’t get that the PLP membership aren’t the only people that the Govt is here to serve. Why can’t you understand that? It isn’t that hard.

    Majority of people are not happy with the Premier. Hence demonstrations, the dismal approval ratings and the admittance of Mr. Lister that his own constituents were upset that the PLP brass weren’t stepping up to the plate to keep him in check. I bet if you moved out of your inner circles of blind loyalists you would be able to see that. But I doubt you would ever let that happen. Continue your hate now. Ttyl.

  39. Ms Furbert,

    I think the point that was being made earlier about “photos” was really that the PLP should have put up a photo of Nelson Bascombe only.

    Second option could be a family picture perhaps.

  40. Ms Furbert

    Do you not see any problem with those who work the closest with Dr Brown being so vocal as to his divisive behaviour and autocratic method of governing? I’m not sure if you were at the House during the motion of no confidence or had a chance to listen in, but I did and can count on one hand the number of people who praised the premier. That means that the PLP survived the motion but Dr Brown, no, not so much. He is still leader because he chooses to be not because he should be.

    I have to say though, if it were me, and I could see how divided Bermuda was becoming under MY rule, and how practically half of my own cabinet would rather resign lucrative positions than work with me anymore, and how I’m the first PLP premier to manage to be marched against (not once, twice but three times), and how I may singlehandly be creating the impetus for a third party due to my method of governing – judging my the furor online and in other media/RL… I can’t say I’d wish to stick in that position.

    But then, I’d have realized that the Government is here for the people and not the other way around long before these things came to pass, I’d like to think.

  41. Yeah I do. Last white Government 1610…..bawahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    I need a LaVerne and Temple on the rocks..shaken and really stirred……….with extra saly for the wounds………….

  42. 1. Therein lies the problem with our system of Governance. We the people should be able to decide who represents us as a leader. It should not be decided by a bunch of biased Party members. The people need to be empowered to make that decision.

    2. No one denies that the PLP won fair and square. They would have won no matter who was in power. It could have been Dr. Brown or yourself that was leader, and the outcome would have been inevitable and the same. But what I take from your point is that the voters opinions/feelings are only important during election time and in between elections they should just shut up and take what’s given to them.

    3. Again that is not democracy. The PLP’s Central Committee showed their support. Unfortunately they are a tiny fraction of the electorate and thus only represent a tiny view of the voters. That is not proper democracy and decisions such as that should not be left to biased Party members. The Govt is to serve all of the population, not just the ones that put you in power.

    4. See point 3

    The majority of Bdians support Dr. Brown. Only the majority of the PLP members of the Central Committee do. But I understand that’s all that matters to you and yours. This is evident in his dismal approval ratings, Mr. Lister’s claims that his constituents were vexed that the cabinet did not have the courage to keep Dr. Brown in check and just conversations with the average non-partisan Bermudian. I mean when all you do is hold conversations with fellow sycophants I can understand how you reached the conclusion that the majority of Bermudians are elated with the Premiership of Dr. Brown.

  43. Thanks Rummy for that info.

    Sorry to have woken you from your sleep! Pray do return to whence you came.

  44. “9PS – I think Steve is just pointing out that the criticisms of Dr. Brown, qualified with ‘the rest of the Party are cool though, just change the Leader’, is nothing new and happened under Ms. Smith and Mr. Scott.”

    JS,

    I know what he meant and I know what I meant. I don’t care about those previous posts. He is using past posts from different individuals to sterotype a whole sector of the population and thus attempt to denigrate the validity of the arguments being presented. Attack the messenger and not the message which is now ingrained within the MO of the current PLP administration.

    But then again I am just some “angry white man” who has lost his privileges and should be immediately reported to the Ministry of White People.

  45. Here’s a test.

    Take Brown out (figuratively speaking of course), and watch the blogs go quiet. Watch the Letters totheEd reduce to next to nothing.

    starling can u educated this person on the history of attacks that labour leaders like ottie simmons, lois brown evans freddie wade etc went through from white voters, the gazette, the ubp etc. BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN IN POWER

    the smattering (and there’s many more where that came from) of posts that i posted above show how this same demo hated on alex scott when he was premier (and he’s a non type of guy) the way they do brown – so its bullshit to say that the blogs would go quiet

    they weren’t quiet when scott was prem – why would they go quiet with brown gone

    to play lay psychologist – all this is is white voters feeling powerless to elect a govt. so they’ll do what they can to try and make the govt. at least get rid of someone they don’t like

    the funny thing is i’ve heard paula cox in closed meetings – i know the haterz say they want her that she’s nicer – be careful what u wish for – cuz as usual – u have no idea about blk folks and how they operate 🙂

  46. Yep, the majority of Americans were happy when Bush was elected for a second term, but in the end, he had the lowest approval rating of ANY U.S. president. Food for thought.

  47. Scary to think Steve must have tons of these old statements plucked from the past. Must have Word docs full of them. Either that – or a incredible retrival mecahanism.

    How nerdy!

  48. I understand that logic and it is a valid point. But to completely dismiss any criticisms because of criticisms of past leaders is ludicrous.

    Show me a post of “steve” where he actually addressed the concern or message put forward by a blogger. You can’t because he automatically puts a label on the individual and attacks their credibility.

    Why is that? Is it because he is so full of hate and anger or is it because he is intelligent enough to know that certain actions cannot be defended in a true democratic society? Personally I believe it is a mixture of both, with his internal hate for whites probably trumping all other factors.

  49. starling can u educated this person on the history of attacks that labour leaders like ottie simmons, lois brown evans freddie wade etc went through from white voters, the gazette, the ubp etc. BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN IN POWER

    the smattering (and there’s many more where that came from) of posts that i posted above show how this same demo hated on alex scott when he was premier (and he’s a non type of guy) the way they do brown – so its bullshit to say that the blogs would go quiet

    they weren’t quiet when scott was prem – why would they go quiet with brown gone

    to play lay psychologist – all this is is white voters feeling powerless to elect a govt. so they’ll do what they can to try and make the govt. at least get rid of someone they don’t like

    the funny thing is i’ve heard paula cox in closed meetings – i know the haterz say they want her that she’s nicer – be careful what u wish for – cuz as usual – u have no idea about blk folks and how they operate 🙂

  50. Martin,

    You’re really not being honest are you? The PLP’s home page has a photo of Nelson Bascome only. Dr. Brown’s tribute to Nelson has a photo of Dr. Brown and Nelson. Do you really see a problem with that? If you do, something is wrong with you.

    The fact that the blogs (mainly white men) and letter writer concentrate on Dr. Brown tells me one thing – you’re all obsessed with him and can’t talk about anything else.

    Jonathan,

    What don’t you understand? Read my points again. Remember, they only poll 400 people. According to Wikipedia, “Since some people do not answer calls from strangers, or refuse to answer the poll, poll samples may not be representative samples from a population. Because of this selection bias, the characteristics of those who agree to be interviewed may be markedly different from those who decline.” By the way, whose poll was that anyway? Also, read the PLP’s website about the last poll that was taken.

    Again I say, Dr. Brown is still the Premier of Bermuda, and some people are unhappy with that, and a lot of people are happy about it.

  51. At 3:51 pm this date Martin said..” I am wrong”. Now go back too sleep. The “whence” is mutual. ….

    If you want to talk too me in person, please stand in line at the Minister of Health’s staging area. I’m still here in room 007 MAWI.

  52. Ms Furbert,

    Funny how included in those who are unhappy is those people who work the closest with Dr Brown…

    I’m not sure if you were listening to the motion of no confidence in the house that friday but I did and can count on one hand the number of PLP people who praised Dr Brown and his method of governing.

    The premier has the fortune of being the first and only PLP premier to have been trice marched on. One who has been publically admonished by no less than hlaf of his cabinet (many of those who resigned or were removed soon after). These and many other things would lead one to believe that there are more unhappy with his leadership than happy. But admittedly, I may be judging this by criteria other than yourself.

  53. “The fact that the blogs (mainly white men) and letter writer concentrate on Dr. Brown tells me one thing – you’re all obsessed with him and can’t talk about anything else.”

    What do their race and gender have to do with anything?

  54. Jonathan-

    I’m not sure the point is valid. Steve notes criticism of former Premier, who is black, and criticism of the current Premier, who is also black, and infers that the criticism comes because they are black. Steve further infers that criticism from a small number of whites can be generalized into the motivation of all white people. I’m not sure this logic is sustainable, as you and 9ps observed in earlier posts.

    And as a point of clarification, the firm that conducted the poll has already noted (RG, 10 July 09) that responses from the population sampled are weighted differently to present results that reflect the actual racial, gender and age composition of the Island, not the composition of the sample population.

  55. Alysys,

    Nelson Mandela is now celebrated, however for 27 years he was a prisoner in South Africa.

    Martin Luther King is now celebrated, however while he was alive he was considered a thorn in the side of white America.

    Rosa Parks is now celebrated, however she wasn’t always considered a heroine.

    Dr. Gordon is now celebrated in Bermuda, however he was treated the same way that Dr. Brown is being treated today.

    I could go on and on, but I’m sure you undersand what I’m trying to say.

    We can all agree on one thing, Dr. Brown is very controversial, just as the above-mentioned were.

  56. I took the time to read your most recent submissions and was genuinely surprised that the overwhelming majority of your writers had nothing positive to day about the PLP.

    My surprise stems from the fact that i meet many people daily from both races; from most nationalities; from several religions; and i do not find the total unrelenting criticism of the PLP that was provided by the great majority of your contributors.

    Despite my wide contacts, i obviously live in a very protected community. I am grateful that your BLOG has made me aware of that.

    Calvin.

  57. The difference is that the Ministers that stood up and publicly criticised are not part of the white supremacy establishment that opposed those individuals that you listed above. No these individuals were hand picked by Dr. Brown as part of his cabinet and have found that his management style to be so arrogant and self serving that they spoke out and were either fired or resigned due to this facts.

    So go ahead and bring your race thing into it again. but Mr. Lister, Mr. Butler, Mr. Perinchief, Mr. Horton et al aren’t part of your Combined Opposition or part of your “lynch mob.” They are, were, PLP ministers and lifelong supporters and contributors to the Party.

    Do you want to actually answer alsys question or do you want to play the race card again to distract from the actual point?

    PS: You really are delusional to think that Dr. Brown deserves the same level of respect of those individuals that you listed above.

  58. “PS: You really are delusional to think that Dr. Brown deserves the same level of respect of those individuals that you listed above.”

    Let me clarify. Dr. Brown should be afforded the same amount of respect for his struggle, effort and actions during the civil rights era. He should be afforded the same respect for ensuring that blacks were considred equals here and over in the US.

    He should be respected in light of his academic and medical career achievements and as a family man.

    However, his actions as Premier, dividing the country even further with his racial rhetoric and the undermining of our democratic system with numerous underhanded actions are not accomplishments which can be labelled as respectable.

  59. Ms Furbert…

    Is it possible – just possible – that we say what we say about Dr Brown because of what he does, as distinct from the fact that he is black?

    Here’s a silly one for you. If (!) the UBP were in power, lets say with Trevor Moniz as Premier and he had acted in Parliament the same way as Dr Brown did the other day over the Gambling vote, what would you have said?

    What if Moniz had won and the Bill had passed. What would the Church have said? What would the opposition have said?

    Would it be right to say…”Trevor doesn’t kowtow to the Church or anyone. He is a strong, white man”.

    Just a thought.

  60. Martin,

    I would say that Trevor Moniz was a smart politician. Remember the gaming bill had alread been debated. It was a conscious vote. Members on both sides had already stated whether they would vote for it or not. The vote was defeated. Those who were against the bill won. Some people who used to frequent Front Street when they had those machines even voted against it. I also hear that some people who regularly play poker for high stakes even voted against the bill and were some of the most eloquent speakers on the motion. What’s the problem?

    I really have not heard the Church speak for or against the gaming bill. Remember, some churches have bingo games on a regular basis, using real money. And I’ve been made to understand that some faithful church goers love to travel to Las Vegas. Personally, I’ve never had to desire to go to Las Vegas, Atlantic City, or even on a cruise

    Can you show me where I called Dr. Brown a “strong black man”?

    9ps,

    Everybody in Bermuda, other than you obviously, knows that Bermuda has been a divided country since the first African was brought here as a slave. Did you take my advice and enrol in some Bermuda College classes? You really need some history lessons.

  61. Mr Smith

    Conversely, it is even harder to find anyone on this site that has anything good to say about UBP. The PLP is the focus of most of the posts and replies simply because they are the ones in power, and for a few of us, the ones whom we have the most faith in what they COULD do with said power.

  62. Mr Smith

    There are positive things to say about the PLP, but just of late, the actions of the Premier don’t fall into that category.

    Ms Furbert

    Not quite sure where you are going with your comment above. I know that if I ask you a question – you don’t answer it – so maybe you are right there is no discourse.

  63. “”u have no idea about blk folks and how they operate”

    Oh really… but we are learning fast, and it certainly has been an eye-opening experience! Yup, a real education of “how they operate.”

  64. Jonny, Steve’s posts really only highlight that Mr. Scott was not the best premier, that is also evidenced in the fact that he was ousted by Brown and Co., who ironically makes for an even worse premier. Funnily enough, the same happened with Dame Jennifer.

    Yes they are all black, but it is just a matter of odds here isn’t it? How many white premiers have we had in the past 30 years to criticize. I can only think of Dr. Saul, and he was tossed out.

    So the only conclusion I can draw from Steve’s post is that the current premier is perhaps as bad as, if not worse in many people’s eyes than the former. Other than that, they are not really scientifically useful.

  65. According to Wikipedia, “Since some people do not answer calls from strangers, or refuse to answer the poll, poll samples may not be representative samples from a population. Because of this selection bias, the characteristics of those who agree to be interviewed may be markedly different from those who decline.”

    LaVerne, it appears you’re completely missing the point of that statement (and it’s not clear that the author if the Wiki article really understands what it means either).

    First, all are subject to sampling errors – people that won’t respond is only part of it. But, as a result, polls always include a margin of error – it’s usually about five percentage points (not 5 percent – there is a difference but that’s just me being pedantic). The two articless that 9ps link both say 4.9%. That means that the “real” approval level is probably within 5 points of that obtained by the poll so, if the poll says that EFB’s approval rating is 24% that means that the “real” approval rating, i.e., after accounting for the selection bias the Wiki article refers to, is somewhere between 19% and 29% (i.e., 24% plus or minus 5 points). Hardly stellar by any measure.

    … read the PLP’s website about the last poll that was taken.

    I did (http://www.plp.bm/node/2041) and it’s a simple matter to use the breakdown of respondents by race and sex to reflect the actual population of the Island. If you do that, the adjusted results do not differ signficantly from the unadjusted ones that were originally released. [As an observation, if the adjusted results had been significantly different I’m sure the author of the article on the PLP website would have told us as opposed to simply claiming that the poll was flawed.]

  66. Martin,

    I did answer your question. Jonathan has stated that there were 15 posts that were lost or something. Maybe he’ll find my answer and post it.

  67. “until you hear dr. brown say “minister of white people” its just hearsay ”

    Steve,

    Did you ever hear Sir Henry Tucker make racist remarks about black Bermudians?

    Or are you defaming and denigrating an individual based on simple ‘hearsay’?

  68. another great example of why bda is frozen in a racial cold war – pls read between the lines of what this “bdan” is saying/threatening:

    Royaa Gazette – June 29, 2009

    Dear Sir,

    There seems to be a lot of conjecture regarding the reasons why most of the protesters are white. Here is my take, whites are the only ones who actually care enough to take positive action. Before the howls of protest reach fever pitch, a few examples. Back in the 1980s Bob Geldoff set up a worldwide fund to raise money for starving blacks in Africa. There was a charity run in Bermuda to raise funds for this cause, 95 percent of the runners were white, I know because I was one of them. A few years later my wife was looking for donations of Bibles to assist a missionary in Africa, 70 percent of the donations, of which there were a significant number, came from whites. Whites had nothing to gain from these events yet they made the effort.

    We lived on South Road for a number of years where we had a good view of runs organised in support of local charities and once again the majority support for these charities were white. In more recent times the protest against building the new hospital in the Botanical Gardens was again predominantly white although the entire population benefits from this haven. The paradox is that the majority of whites have the right of residence in another country, the majority of blacks don’t, so when ‘El Presidente Brown’ finally forces Independence the blacks will be left wondering where did all the money go. Remember the old saying “Bad things happen when good men do nothing”

    PETER FORSTER

    Hamilton

    hmmm – only whites do good things – sounds like ingrained white bias to me which i’m sure this person has passed down to his children and who no doubtedly and unconsciously gives out this “white is right” energy toward his fellow blk bdans on a daily basis – as usual – u just don’t get what ur doing and how u and not dr. brown promote the ongoing chilly attitude between the races

    here’s my fave line: “A few years later my wife was looking for donations of Bibles to assist a missionary in Africa, 70 percent of the donations, of which there were a significant number, came from whites. Whites had nothing to gain from these events yet they made the effort.”

    wow u guys are so great and righteous- and we just suck and are selfish 🙂

  69. “Your all obsessed with him”..Thanks LaVerne. Isn’t that the intent from the beginning?

    As for polls, they are meaningless with 400 people whether independantly done or otherwise.

    You get the best poll at election time. Here’s a poll for you. Premier Browns popularity is less than 25% and that would cover 65% black people in Bermuda. You do the math.

    Back too my first sentence, when one is in the news everyday with pictures and verbal and statements and then you come along with your magic ladle to dish it out it’s really not an “obsession” it becomes a “Posession” or tool of the ‘manufactorer’.

    Basically the same with some other of your ‘associates’.

    For you to help divide with some of your comments over the past 30 years they must pay you awfully well or is it just a generic predisposition…

    And, I knew Sir Henry Tucker quite well. We lived not far apart on South Shore. You can take my word that the only thing he ever said about blacks was…….Yo! Rummy….a little more Ginger Beer, this black is too strong………

  70. Ms Furbert:

    “Can you show me where I called Dr. Brown a “strong black man”?

    Sure – here you go:

    LaVerne Furbert

    “The main issue why I have changed my opinion on the No Confidence Vote however is because the more I think about this fiasco the more I become convinced that the US and UK have acted together in such a way as to benefit themselves at the expense of Dr. Brown. In short, I believe that part of this fiasco is a plot to see Dr. Brown scapegoated and his Premiership ended.”

    You theory is so ridiculous that it’s laughable. It’s not the US and the UK that want Dr. Brown removed, it’s people like you, Kim Swan, Shawn Crockwell, Wayne Perinchief, Casual Observer (as she has admitted here) and others.

    Unfortunately for all of you, Dr. Brown will remain the leader of the PLP and the country until he decides to move on.

    By the way, it is constitutionally impossible to have a no confidence vote in Parliament in one individual. The UBP need to ask for no confidence in the Governmemnt, not Dr. Brown.

    Just as there are some people who want Dr. Brown removed post haste, there are others of us who are very supportive of his leadership. In this instance they are the silent majority.

    Jonathan, I can understand your dislike of a man like Dr. Brown. I also can understand why others dislike him. Some people just have a problem with a strong, black man who does not kow tow. Although you have met Dr. Brown, most other people who say that they want him gone have never had a conversation with him – they see him through the eyes of Bill Zuill, Tom Vesey, Stuart Hayward and others.

    By the way Casual Observer, I have a few banana trees growing in my yard.
    https://jonnystar.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-no-confidence-vote-a-trap/#comments

  71. Hey, Steve.

    I’d agree with you that the writer of that letter was completely off the mark… if you hadn’t done your usual and put it up as an example of how all white people think.

    We COULD have discussed how maybe the black community have traditionally had more personally important things to worry about, like paying rent, school fees, etc. and how, because of the historical disparity between the races they haven’t felt the need for grand gestures and big, public “Look at how I’m saving these poor African children by sending them bibles” promotions that, culturally, some European backgrounds have caused the white community to think are important, and have just quietly gotten on with getting things done, for themselves, for their community and for others.

    But no. That’s not in the agenda, is it? It’s only about, “THIS GUY SAID SOMETHING SO U ALL HATE US AND YOU’RE ALL RACISTS”, isn’t it?

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