‘PLP Splinter Group Threat’

I just came across this most interesting article over at the Bermuda Sun’s site. I fully recommend that people go and read it, and advise that it should be read in conjunction with the earlier article by Mr. Burt ‘Who Will Be The PLP Leaders of tomorrow?’ The article quoting Marc Bean and Walter Roban is also very good.

I have absolutely no comments to make on the initial article other than recommending it be read.

All I’m going to say is that I too share the optimism that the next generation of PLPers will indeed be more than able to ‘forge a new future’ for the Party, especially in a more progressive and pro-labour direction. I think I’ll stop short of saying that means the Party will turn towards my revolutionary democratic socialism (but hope springs eternal…), but I am certainly optimistic about the future potential that I know this new generation embodies. I welcome the idea put forward for this new generation to re-engage within the Party, to seek election in the branch elections, and to help reconstruct and reanimate the Party machinery. Most importantly this new generation must not sacrifice their committment to critical thinking and lively debate on all issues.

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33 thoughts on “‘PLP Splinter Group Threat’

  1. Jonathan,

    I read the article and I think the headline is sensational to say the least. The PLP has always welcomed young people, that’s why the party is now 45 years old. In fact, David Burch, the chairman, was encouraged to run for the position by Dr. Brown. When I first joined the PLP I was considered a young person. I think Nelson Bascome was the youngest person to be elected to the House. Most of the young people that I know in the Party are there because they were encouraged to become politically active by their parents.

  2. Yeah, I would certainly agree that the headline itself is sensationalist, especially as it implies that a splinter group is or even was imminent. The Party certainly does have alot of good future potential leaders, and that is a very good thing that is to be encouraged, which is what I got as the jist of the article.

  3. Me too, Jonathan. Headline aside, I took from it a hope that more people realize how much there is to gained by taking a personal interest in politics and indeed PLP.

  4. Hi All

    Just to correct Ms. Furbert’s typo, as some posters might take it and run with it – the Chairman is David Burt, not Burch.

    Other than that, i too found the headline sensationalistic journalism.

  5. Don’t know how you can call this a sensationalist article with the below quote from the PLP Chairman himself:

    “According to PLP chairman David Burt, the group launched a “real and concerted move” towards forming a new rival party”

    Seems it was a reality and could still be. The paper didn’t just make it up, it is a fact.

  6. I dont believe it to be as ‘real and concerted’ as the article is implying.
    There may be certain individuals. But I doubt this group is any more than 2 or 3 people. Hardly enough to rival the governing party.

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  8. ken,

    Fair enough. It must have been viewed as somewhat of a threat in order for the Chairman to make such a statement in a island wide newspaper. But I am glad to see that my generation will not idly sit by and let the old timers destroy our future due to their grievances with one another. Democracy is a beautiful thing sometimes.

    Vanz,

    Grow up fat boy.

  9. Hey 9ps,

    I appreciate the comments and all, but I don’t see the necessity of that personal attack on Vanz who is not involved on this thread.

    The headline was sensationalist in that it conveyed a sense of immediacy to a splinter group occuring, which, on reading the article, was quite far from the truth and not at all what Mr. Burt had said.

    On a note to Vexed, I think that the UBP’s continued inept existence serves as a bulwark to any change on the political scene. Its dissolution, in one way or another, would provide the catalyst required to fundamentally redraw Bermuda’s political landscape.

  10. It appears I am wrong. Sorry one time only I apologize to Mr. Chapman. Photcopy it and hang it on your wall. It will never happen again…..

  11. About par for the course, as far as sensationalized headlines go where politics is concerned. One thing to say is that it’s somewhat encouraging that there are a few 20-somethings that have voices in the political arena. Consider that the two chairmen of the major political parties in Bermuda are 29 and 32(?).

    I suppose what one could question is if there are prominent voices of similar ages who are either independent or inclined to be involved in a movement outside of the PLP/UBP.

  12. Burt: As we reflect on a decade of solid governance, our party must also forge ahead and modernize.

    A decade of solid governance. This is the sort of thing the UBP used to say. I guess all politicians say these things. When its actually true, it can be quite startling, its so rare. It would seem the PLP is happy with its performance. As was the UBP. Politics is very grim. I imagine George Bush Jr. wonders why people hate him. Politicians are a very weird sort of person.

  13. I think that the UBP’s continued inept existence serves as a bulwark to any change on the political scene. Its dissolution, in one way or another, would provide the catalyst required to fundamentally redraw Bermuda’s political landscape. A very good point! I totally agree….

  14. We are on the verge of a coalition government. The PLP are afraid of the recession and clueless. The UBP is afraid of the Obama Tax committee.

  15. EP means that the democrats will do what they have threatened all these many decades – rationalizing the US tax code ( am I right Pig?) . This would make Bermuda’s much simpler and cheaper tax regime uncompetitive. Frankly I do not see the kind of competence in US politics to do this. I think US taxpayers will go on under the present bloated system for sometime to come. Newt Gingrich is the only person I know of, in US politics, who can manage reforms of this magnitude. Like many competent politicians he was deemed for too dangerous and was booted out of power.

    So I am not worrying about that.

  16. Mind you Obama is a wild card. He may be a regular democrat of the ussual mold which would mean no progress. But on the other hand he may not. Being black meant he could get votes for his heroism. Americans were willing to over look his intelligence ( which they think is bad in a leader ) . So the americans, by accident, voted in someone who may turn out to be very able. And I am a white guy saying this Dr. Brown, so he must be really good.

    ( Let me explain : Being white I must have a natural inclination to hate black people that only Dr. Brown knows about. )

    If thats the case, we may have a problem. Obama may reform the tax code to boost the economy and fix health care, if he turns out to be an utterly unusual american politician. ei competant.

    Hunter S Thompson has pointed out that its often the really wierd people in US politics that end up being the great talents.

  17. the democrats will do what they have threatened all these many decades – rationalizing the US tax code

    Civil, that’s not what people are worried about. If anything the Democrats will do the reverse and make the tax code more punitive. [During the debates Obama said that he was in favour of increasing tax rates, not because he thought it would increase tax receipts but because he thought it would be “fairer”.]

    However, it wouldn’t take much of a change to the US tax code to put Bermuda out of business. I can think of two or three simple changes that would do that (and I think at least one of them could be implemented without having to go through Congress).

    Don’t forget that Obama was co-sponsor of the Tax Haven Abuse Act. I expect that to gain serious traction when he’s officially in office. That bill lists 34 domiciles – Bermuda is among them.

  18. Alright. What I am talking about is the crushing complexity of the tax system itself. I am assuming that one of the liabilities to US tax competivness if the back breaking paperwork and its attendant costs. Bermuda is much simpler.

    I am not in business and am mostly self educated in these matters. But it seems to me that making the US tax system competive would be the only way grow the coorporate tax rolls. More rules will drive more companies into Bermuda I would have thought.

    But I am someone who thought Bush Jr. couldn’t actually be stupid enough to invade Iraq.

  19. theres no revolutionary spirit in any of the hand picked well trained “yes men” young people in the PLP…none r real grass roots people, none have a revolutionary bone in their bodies, n none have any connection to the struggle in todays bermuda…they r the youth eliete….white collar professional people with big degrees.
    The eleite have never ever cared about the masses. The plp is a party of bitter old people, who need to all die off tonight so that the youth can bring in the real change promised back on 98.
    Just look at senator thaao dill 4 instance…silent in the face of burches comments on weed, silence on dale butlers comments on weed. A revolutionary political person would have pointed out that….the united stated have nothin to do with how we make our laws. Burch n butler r trying to play it like the usa is the bag guy, when in truth, while other countries around the world have taken a decrimilization stance on weed, and not making their citizens felony criminals 4 havin a spliff, 40yrs of ubp have made countless bermudians black n white criminals 4 a spliff, and the plp has continued this sick n twisted tradition by not growing balls and decrimilizing weed and adjusting the laws so that its not a felony offence, there fore people r not even brought b4 the courts 4 smokin…aka personal use. They dont wanna b drug tested 4 a reason…but yet they tryin to preech to the people…what a load of bullshit. I wonder how many peers of these politicians can come out of the wood work and recall when these very same politicians have smoked spliffs with them!!!
    The current us council and people in his office who took part in various meetings held by dale butler 4 the farce called the rehabiltation certificates. The question of the stoplist came up. The both said that bermuda has to change its laws on how they deal with the classifications of drugs, in order for people not to get caught up cause they smoked some weed. The laws not blanket all drug offences as the same felony offecnes.
    Butler was in the meetings….typical dishonest politicians.
    Separation of church n state….i dont need no fuckin politicians tellin me their christian moral standards. keep that shit to yaselves, get off the fuckin soap box, and fix this dammed country so allll can acess the so called bermudian dream.

  20. Son Of Obatala

    Progressive? Revolutionary? Yeah I agree with you on the use of words in the PLP. Remember in the bad old days of the PRI of Mexico: the party of the institutional revolution? It was not an effective institution nor was it revolutionary. It was a contradiction that made its leaders rich.

    As Ms. Furbert has asserted, the PLP is not particularly revolutionary in fact its firmly conservative.

  21. Civil..I dont know about the bad old days in mexico…lol but thanks 4 showing me that.

    They…the PlP have failed to live up to the 98 hype for change….the same hype attached to obamas victory I may add.
    I say the PLP has failed to use their vast political capital given under the election mandate for them to change the country, n failed to deliver on the hype of change from that time in 98 Because we are still under the same system of government (westminster which is the root reason why politics in bermuda does not work) and social issues have not been fixed. Bermudians as a whole are not in a better position now.
    The former “revolutionaries” in the plp have become rich n fat now…n the fire that was once there for various levels of systemic change in this country are all but dead…except for indipendence.
    I say this because none of the calls for systemic political change from any of the non plp and even plp people to bring the country into 21st century have have been implamented, nor debated in the house. None of the change within the school system..from the grass roots are listened to.
    Bermudians various rights are being trampled on by this government in various ways. People are still being black listed…wait…since a black party in is power the term needs to be changed to white listed. So people here are still gettin white listed by government for speaking up on failed or misdirected policies. People are being denied services from tax payer govt services because they have been vocal in the critisism of government. Complaints of humanrights abuses to the government run human rights comission, that accuse the government of abusing peoples rights are cast aside by a PLP board of directors within the human rights comission.
    So exactly what has changed in Bermuda under the PLP. We the people were dealing with this same crap under the ubp, thats y we voted them out. We thought we were getting change…we believed the hype.
    People with degrees and experience still cant get government work, or work in their fields.
    Look at whats goin on in blue n white collar work force….Bermudians r being displaced…bemudian owned companies break the employment act law on a daily basis, and forigners are treated better than locals while getting trained by locals and while working for slave wages. Bermudian employers wanting to hire forigners over bermudians just to exploit the foreigner. ETC ETc. While the politicians play ignorant to these fact of bermudian life n act suprised when they are told of some of the goings on round here.
    So not much has changed for the average guy…..and the former revolutionaries dont have the will to do anything…its all hype, hot air, n meaninless photo ops.
    Ic why drug importation is a billion dollar industry. When people get or feel shut out of acessing the road of success, they will look at whatever other means to do wa they gotta do….real talk!

  22. So, you use your last paragraph as an excuse to current situations?

    I think your foul language speaks for itself.

    Frustration and the inability to move forward is neither here nor there. We are all consumed in this but I have no worry’s onlt because 98% will be in the same boat as me.

  23. Foul language = freedom of speech, you can read whatever u like into my use of so called foul language I really can care less….I didnt create the current situation, Im simply pointing out what is.

  24. Actually I don’t think the Westminster model is particularly flawed. I think in Bermuda there tends to be a struggle to gain the racial mandate. The party that obtains it remains in power indefinitely whatever its effectiveness is. The opposition simply has no validity because its racially invalid. Race, it would seem, plays a large part in the moral fiber of a political group. The UBP represented a powerful belief that white people could lead better than blacks and also be compassionate. I think this impression cemented a coalition across racial lines. It was the genius of Jack Tucker to figure this out. His party was a United Bermuda Party as the title suggested but what united Bermudians under it was fundamentally racist. As blacks gained power in the UBP, it looked better and better from a liberal point of view, but it was actually loosing its point. The particular kind of divisiveness it represented was moribund by the time Swan left. Swan’s abitity to ride the Bermudian racial dragon made the style of the UBP irrelevant. If blacks like Swan can lead and Bermudians don’t trust people of the other race, Bermudians all vote thier our race: All blacks vote PLP for the first time, all whites vote UBP as they always did. PLP wins because there are more blacks. Thus the PLP doesn’t achieve its victory by merit but by race.

    Someone suggested we should get rid of the UBP as a way of moving forward. I agree. It represents racial politics of the past. Of course if you can get rid of the UBP that would be the end of the PLP as well. Since it also represents racial politics. One does not live without the other.

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