Dennis Pamplin’s Arrest

I think most people are now aware of the arrest of Dennis Pamplin, the husband of former Opposition Deputy Leader, and current Shadow Minister of Works and Engineering, Patricia Gordon-Pamplin. Mr. Pamplin has been arrested on charges relating to importing up to $15 million of cannabis to Bermuda. The RG has an article on it here that details the charges and the story behind it.

Obviously Mr. Pamplin should be regarded as innocent until proven guilty, and I hope that he recieves due process. However, I don’t think I’m alone in saying that the circumstantial evidence really doesn’t look good, especially with his arrest last year (August 2007) in drugs-deal related charges. Furthermore this arrest will only fuel further speculation regarding who really controls the drug trade in Bermuda, speculation that has long alleged that the ‘Big Men’ of the drug trade here are really the rich and powerful families, many with political connections and links to the old Forty Theives. The farce of the Operation Cleansweep certainly strengthened these perceptions.

As I recall Operation Cleansweep, it had a slight racist tendency of targeting ‘black’ areas and dealers, mostly small drug operations. However, as it progressed it is understood to have increasingly led the police to investigate several high-profile Government (then the UBP) politicians, the only one that I recall being made public, John Irving Pearman, although other names were whispered of. Shortly after this development the then Commissioner, Colin Coxall, was forced to largely abort the police investigations and was ‘encouraged’ into early retirement. While the police report he had presented to the then Governor led the Governor to reccommend the resignation of Mr. Pearman, as far as I am aware no further action was taken, and investigations concerning the ‘Big Men’ were effectively wound up. Interestingly, it was Ms. Gordon-Pamplin’s sister, Pamela Gordon, who was the Premier at the time of this farce, and in many ways was responsible for the farce that Operation Cleansweep was.

Anyone with a better memory of the above, please feel free to correct my account, or add to it for the benefit of discussion.

I understand that Mr. Pamplin lives in the US for most of the time, and his relationship to Ms. Gordon-Pamplin is quite frankly none of my business. All the same I find it hard to believe that if Mr. Pamplin was involved in the alleged business of drug importation and dealing that Ms. Gordon-Pamplin could have been totally ignorant of his involvement. While his actions are his alone I don’t think that Ms. Gordon-Pamplin can escape this incident without increased speculation about her involvment.

Reflecting on it, I really do think that it might be best for her to resign her seat in the House of Assembly for the timebeing. This issue will only serve as a distraction for them, and if he is found innocent, then she can be appointed to the Senate until the next election. Thats my initial thought at least.

This will also I think raise connections to the now infamous drug sting involving former Opposition Leader Micheal Dunkley. Not to sure about any real connection, but the perception will certainly be there.

My general view on drugs…

On drugs in general I am actually for the decriminalisation and then legalisation of marijuana. I really don’t see that it is any worse of a drug than alcohol or tabacco, and should be controlled legally just as they are. I even believe that Dockyard could be converted into a ‘Little Amsterdam’ enclave to the great benefit of tourism (why fly to Holland from the States when a sub-tropical paradise is much closer?), and it is one location where it could be controlled quite well. Personally I don’t smoke, either tabacco or marijuana. My ‘drug’ is alcohol, mostly in the form of stouts, red wines and rum, all in moderation of course (I have always viewed alcohol as something to compliment a meal and not something consumed by itself for the purpose of getting drunk). I am however quite opposed to the ‘hard’ drugs, such as cocaine, herion and amphetamines. But I am open to the decriminalisation of mescaline and psilocybin.

As to the use of drugs here, I do think that it is extermely widespread. There is a perception that its consumption is limited mostly to the lower classes, the ‘usual suspects’ of ‘back-of-town.’ In my experience (and I affirm here, I am partial only to alcohol and have never really had any urge to experiment with other drugs despite the ease with which I could have), I am of the belief that drug use is no more widespread in back-of-town than in Fairylands or in Paget as opposed to Warwick. I’m even of the opinion it may well be more consumed in Fairylands and Paget than back-of-town or Warwick, although the more obvious addicts are concentrated in the back-of-town area. And I have no difficulty in accepting that the true ‘Big Men’ of the drug trade here are rich and politically powerful people.

While I have no interest in a witch-hunt, I do hope that any discussion arising here could be of benefit in really uprooting the cancer that is drugs in our community.

192 thoughts on “Dennis Pamplin’s Arrest

  1. Jonathan,

    So should Glenn Blakeney step down due to his son being charged with intent to supply drugs in a house raided that is under Mr. Blakeney’s ownership? Should Nelson Bascome stand down due to his son’s trouble with the law in regards to drugs?

    I disagree with your sentiment. These individuals, are just that, individuals. Thus their actions are solely theirs unless proven otherwise. If a connection is shown with hard evidence then they must be held accountable.

    “Obviously Mr. Pamplin should be regarded as innocent until proven guilty”

    Shouldn’t the same presumption of innocence be given to Mrs. Pamplin as well? Mrs. Pamplin was not the one arrested and charged with possession. Sounds to me you are already convinced of Mrs. Pamplin’s guiltiness after a solitary DEA statement on her husband’s situation. To suggest that she must resign her post, that she no doubtedly has worked hard for, over such limited information seems like a serious “knee jerk reaction” to me.

  2. Yeah, I know its probably quite a controversial position. It was still my initial thought though.

    My view is that ones partner is a bit different from ones adult children as far as what one should be aware of in the relationship. I find it odd that if Mr. Pamplin is found guilty that Ms. Gordon-Pamplin could have been totally oblivious to such a multi-million dollar business; they way it would look would be that she would have been at least an accessory if she knew something but didn’t report it to the police.

    I figured that this could become a distraction for the UBP, and it would be beneficial for the UBP if she elected to resign until her husband is found guilty or innocent. Even if he is found guilty, she should be cool to run again or sit in the Senate provided no evidence arises that connects her to any criminal activity. Her resignation from the House would simply be to reduce the fallout of the trial affecting the UBP’s role as an Opposition.

    Thats why I don’t agree with the comparison between Mr. Bascome and his son with the case of Ms. Gordon-Pamplin and her husband. That being said I do think that Mr. Bascome should resign for the duration of the criminal trial that is ongoing at the moment.

    Hope the above explains my position better. Its not so much that I’m presuming her guilty by association, but more that I think from a political point of view the case would be detrimental to the UBP.

  3. …”but the perception will certainly be there”.

    Indeed it will. Sadly perception is the undoing (often very unfairly so) of many. Look at what it is doing to the Premier and this Government by way of example.

    Let us hope due process happens quickly. I am fairly sure that Ms. Gordon-Pamplin would want that so that – guilty or otherwise – all can move on with their lives.

  4. Come on Jonny. Pamplin has described the man as her “worthless husband” and “Mr Drama King Pamplin” in her own releases. You know that and you acknowledge that he “lives in the US for most of the time”. So how can you so blithely dismiss the relationship as “none of my business” when it’s so obviously not all love and roses there, and it is the key to your whole post. You conveniently ignore that and march into suppositions on her involvement.

    Also, you choose to bring up Pamplin but dismiss Bascome, Blakeney, and (I’m guessing) Ewart Brown, because “ones partner is a bit different from ones adult children”. But you manage to throw in Dunkley whose two employees snuck weed into a company container? You’re really stretching here.

    I actually don’t think any of them should step down because of the actions of their family members.

  5. in the past decade john pearman, dunkley, and now the husband of the former deputy leader of the ubp have been involved in major drug operations – that’s 3 high ranking ubp officials caught up in a relatively short time span – (dunkley’s company imports a huge cache of drugs and a while later his deputy leader’s husband is arrested on suspicion of exporting drugs – i mean c’mon now) and i agree w/ starling – ones relationship with one’s children is not as involved as with ones spouse – u usually don’t share banking and financial info with ur kids –

    and maybe when Pamplin has described the man as her “worthless husband” and “Mr Drama King Pamplin” in her own releases, she knew somethinh that we didn’t.

    i can only imagine what a field day that the rg et al would have if alex scott, derrick burgess and say paula cox where closely connected to major drug schemes.

    i mean pamplin’s bail is 3 mil – the judge must feel that pamplin is a major player

  6. oh – make that 4 ubp bigwhigs – i 4got shawn crockwell – let’s recap:

    UBP mp and former spokesman stole and sold heroin from the courts
    UBP leader dunkley’s company imported drugs
    UBP cabinet minister pearman caught up in drug sweep
    UBP deputy leader’s husband arrested in drug bust to export drugs

    but more importantly – the premier bought a new car

  7. “but more importantly – the premier bought a new car”

    Yes, it’s strange isn’t it, and you know, if the PLP and Ms Furbert hadn’t spent ages defending the decision, I would have gone along with you on that.

    Ah – politics v reality!

  8. Rather than defneding the purchase of a new car for the Premier, what I have tried to of late is correct the misinformation about why the Premier needed a new car. However, i do find it most revealing that there are those who have criticised the purcahse of a new car for the Premier but have been silent on the purchase of a new car for the Governor, which I understand was the same make and model of the car purcahsed for the Premier of Bermuda.

    When the Governor’s car broke down and Government House felt too much money had been spent on repairs, they replaced the old car. When the Premier’s car broke down and the Government felt they had spent too much money of repairs, they replaced the old car. What’s wrong with that?

  9. Absolutely nothing wrong with that Ms Furbert – nothing wrong at all.

    My response was to Vanz, who appears to be suggesting that some think the Premiers new car is more important than previous poor UBP behaviour, maybe because the UBP shortfall’s didn’t get as much debate as they should, I wouldn’t know. Maybe he is suggesting that we shouldn’t discuss the Premiers new car at all – just discuss UBP behaviour…but as we all know, life isn’t like that.

    Right minded thinking people would not prioritise car over alleged/actual drug issues.

    Of course, as you are aware, this car has become an issue with so many of late, be they PLP or UBP or neither, and one is forced to ask the question – why?.

  10. Pitts Bay,

    I think that the majority of Bermudians think it is only fitting that our Premier have a car befitting his office. I will admit that there are few people who have an issue with the Premier’s new car. Maybe you can ask those people who an issues with the new car why that is so. I personally don’t know anyone who has an issue with it.

  11. Ms Furbert, let me put something to you and by all means respond if you wish.

    In the UK, company cars are a major slice of one’s compensation. It is part of one’s compensation, because it is taxed as income – and heavily so. I worked for 7 companies in my time over there, and as HR Director in 4 of them.

    A golden rule that all 7 companies had was that new or new/replacement cars (usually leased by the way) could not come onto the ground at wage negotiation time. Although the lease cost is small, new cars usually act as a ‘point of anger’ to Trade Unions when we were trying to settle a pay deal in single figures.

    Now – in Bermuda, at least 4 taxi drivers I know told me that the Premiers new car was on the island. They told me where it was being stored, the fact that it was a ‘top end’ BMW and that it was bullet proofed. I don’t know if it b-proofed, and it’s academic to the issue anyway.

    Some time after hearing about the car, we get into the bit where Derek Burgess says..”It arrived Monday”. Then we get into the embarrassing bit about what the old GP1 cost and so on and so forth.

    My question is this.

    When the Premier (or whoever) decided that GP1 needed replacing, why didn’t Derek Burgess release a press statement that went something like:

    “GP1 needs to be replaced, and that decision has been taken and the order placed. The Govt considers it fitting that the Premier should have a quality car not unlike that which the Governor drives. I anticipate that the car will arrive on the island in x weeks”.

    Why is that so difficult? Why could the Govt not do it that way and avoid (in my opinion) the anger that has been shown on the streets?

  12. Hi Ms Furbert

    Flattered that you took me for Mike, but I specifically have not delved into the whole new BMW issue. I have no issue with the Premier having a flash car, but I do have concerns as to fiscal probity of acquiring one, when there is supposed to be belt tightening across the board. I wonder if every minister is now going to get an official Beemer when their Peugot’s need replacing.

    Pitts Bay

  13. “When the Premier’s car broke down and the Government felt they had spent too much money of repairs, they replaced the old car.”

    Except they lied about the repair cost. Why?

  14. I continue to be suprised about the debate about the car GP1. I had written elsewhere that I thought it was immaterial. Obviously I was wrong in that judgement. I will write a thread dedicated to it so that this discussion can continue there instead.

    OneVote,

    Actually the focus on Dennis Pamplin was more periphery to my post than ‘key.’ It was my hope that this thread would evolve into a discussion on the scourge of drugs in our society and a need to combat the ‘Big Men’ of the business as opposed to the small ‘foot soldiers’ that are the current targets of the ‘war on drugs.’ It was also my hope that a discussion would develop on the question of decriminalising soft drugs.

    When I wrote that the relationship between the Ms. Gordon-Pamplin and Mr. Pamlin was none of my business, yes, I was aware of her previous comments towards him that you bring up. But its not my place to speculate beyond her comments there. But as Vanz brings up, these comments can be interpreted now as her having some knowledge of his activities. My position though was that it would become a distraction for the UBP and she would aid that Party by removing herself from view for now.

    I have wrote that I see a difference between the relationship between spouses and children, as such I see no reason to comment on Mr. Blakeney, but I have commented on Mr. Bascome’s ongoing trial. I have written elsewhere on Dr. Brown. And all I had written regarding Mr. Dunkley was that some people will make the link between that incident and this separate one involving Mr. Pamplin. I explicitly stated that this issue was more one of perception than reality.

  15. John

    I don’t think there is any need to have a separate discussion about GP1.Although it might ‘fester’ in the background, it has actually been done to death by now.

    In summary – as I tried to suggest to Ms Furbert above – I think it was sloppily handled and caused resentment – resentment that could have been avoided in the main if the Govt had handled it better. So I am probably guilty of “picking up the item again” when I should have let it go. Hopefully you will see that my interest was slightly different to others.

    It’s your site of course, and if you want to do so that’s fine. Personally I would try and kill it off.

  16. Drugs – my thoughts,

    At it’s simplist, drugs are drugs. That said, we fool ourselves when we talk about drugs and their harm on society. Nicotine is (according to my doctor) more harmful than some drugs and he said he could probably get someone off heroine use quicker, than someone off nicotine. Alcohol – which I use – can be a killer. I suspect the killing time is longer than with most drugs, although I will share with you that my brother died of chronic liver failure due to alcohol at 40.

    Alcohol is still ‘acceptable’ to society; nicotine less so as we know. For those of you who drink but don’t smoke, of which some of you will be pleased at the recent changes in society towards smoking, you should be aware that many find the idea of alcohol equally offensive, i.e. the fact that you do drink at all, the smell on your breath after a few beers with the lads and so on and so forth. I suspect that you would be ‘at best’ concerned if Govt’s across the world sort to remove the ability to have a drink in public, as they have done with tobacco.

    I am clumsily coming to the point that society takes a view on certain things. Govt’s support it – or not. I would prefer to see decriminalising soft drugs and criminalising alcohol and nicotine. The damage appears to be much more certain with the the later.

    The only worry I have is that I am unsure whether soft – leads to hard. If it did, I would probably revise my thinking.

  17. The GP1 debate is representative of Government’s penchant to lie to the public and overindulgence in perks.

  18. However, as it progressed it is understood to have increasingly led the police to investigate several high-profile Government (then the UBP) politicians, the only one that I recall being made public, John Irving Pearman, although other names were whispered of.

    My understanding was that a drug user/dealer was searched and found to be in possession of a cheque written by JIP who had paid the gentlemen for doing work around his property.

    Whispers JS? If you’re going to talk about party members and drugs why limit it to just the UBP :-) ?

  19. pearman, crockwell, dunkley and the (interim) leaders husband DP were al caught up in actual drug deals (see below) not hearsay:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/nwk071808b.html

    News Release [print friendly page]
    For Immediate Release:
    July 18, 2008
    Contacts:
    Special Agent Douglas S. Collier
    Public Information Officer
    (973) 776-1143 (Office) (862) 849-9833 (Cell)

    DEA New Jersey Division and The Orange PD Seize 700 Pounds of Marijuana

    JUL 18 — (Newark, NJ) Gerard P. McAleer, Special Agent in Charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), New Jersey Division announced today that on July 15, Special Agents of the DEA New Jersey Division and members of the Orange Police Department seized approximately 700 pounds of marijuana from a warehouse in Orange, NJ. As a result of the seizure DENNIS PAMPLIN, aka “KING” and BRIAN HENRY were arrested.

    This investigation began in July 2007, with the cooperation of the Bermuda Police Service. The investigation revealed that during this time period, BRIAN HENRY assisted DENNIS PAMPLIN in packaging more than 1000 kilograms of marijuana for approximately five (5) different shipments that were transported overseas from the Port of Newark, New Jersey to Bermuda.

    The marijuana seized on July 15 was located after a canine trained in the detection of narcotics alerted around the area of six (6) concrete pillars. Subsequent examination revealed that inside each pillar was a metal cylinder measuring approximately five feet high by one foot wide. Located inside each metal cylinder were individually wrapped, vacuum-sealed discs which contained suspected marijuana. Also seized from within the warehouse were scales, hydraulic pressing machines, vacuum-sealing materials, and disc shaped steel molds.

    Special Agent in Charge of the DEA, New Jersey Division, Gerard P. McAleer stated, “This paradise island nation has not been immune to the ill effects of drug trafficking and the arrest of these drug traffickers will have a profound affect on the availability of drugs in Bermuda. The Bermuda Police Service has always worked diligently with the DEA to thwart drug traffickers working between our countries.”

    Chief Inspector Andrew Boyce, spokesman for the Bermuda Police Service stated, “This operation is a clear indication of the long and productive relationship between the DEA and the Bermuda Police Service. The quantity of drugs seized is very significant from the Bermuda perspective, as a weight of 700 pounds of Cannabis could be sold on the streets of Bermuda for over $15 million. We will provide whatever support and assistance that is required by the DEA to make this case a success.”

    As a result of their arrests, DENNIS PAMPLIN and BRIAN HENRY were charged in the Southern District of New York with violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 812, 841(a)(1) and 841(b)(1)(A), Conspiracy to unlawfully, intentionally, and knowingly distributing and possessing with the intent to distribute 1000 kilograms and more of a mixture and substance containing a detectable amount of marijuana. BRIAN HENRY was remanded into the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service with no bail, and DENNIS PAMPLIN was remanded into the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service in lieu of a 3 million dollar personal recognizance bond.

  20. Whispers JS? If you’re going to talk about party members and drugs why limit it to just the UBP :-)

    i agree – let;s also open up teh books at the bhc and see exactly how many UBP mps got and sold their houses through them – let’s let the “sun shine” in all over – expose everybody

  21. Neither political Party has a monopoly on ethics or the lack thereof. Beyond personal issues (affairs for example), any actions that are harmful to society, such as corruption, drug-dealing and so forth should be explored fully, regardless of Party affiliation.

  22. “i agree – let;s also open up teh books at the bhc and see exactly how many UBP mps got and sold their houses through them – let’s let the “sun shine” in all over – expose everybody”

    Absolutely. One presumes though that if there was something to pin on the other side it would have been used by the PLP by now because they have complete access to the books and have for a decade. You’d also have to show how Opposition members could influence the BHC when the PLP has made it clear they have no say in anything.

    Our Canadian bigot will give it a go no doubt.

  23. You’d also have to show how Opposition members could influence the BHC when the PLP has made it clear they have no say in anything.

    we’re talking about how the ubp used the bhc as a candy store prior to 98.

    white dudes callin’ black dudes bigots – cute

  24. Mike,

    I don’t think that taxi drivers are credible witnesses just because they’re taxi drivers. There are lots of taxi drivers out there who have a been with the Premier because of GPS. I don’t know when the new GP1 arrived on the island and it really doesn’t matter, neither could it be top secret as it had to arrive on a ship, hence the dockworkers would have had to unload it anyway.

    As far as lying about the cost of repairs, a Minister can only go by the figures given to him by the civil servants. The Minister asked for the figures and the civil servant(s) gave him a figure. It is unfortunate that in the first instance the civil servant gave the wrong figure, but everybody makes mistakes, even civil servants. The fact of the matter is that the old GP1 was out of service for several months before the new one was “unvieled”.

    You are right Jonathan, I don’t know why GP1 has become such a talking point especailly when we have so many ordinary Bermudians driving around in expensive cars, some probably more expensive than GP1.

  25. Vanz – if you are going to make statements like “we’re talking about how the ubp used the bhc as a candy store…etc”, you need to put some meat on that bone.

    Throwing out a wobbler like that without substance doesn’t help. Either “get off the pot or have a shit’ as the saying goes – ‘put up’ or ‘shut up’.

    Furthermore, there is (as always) a sniff of…”they did – therefore it’s alright if we do”, i.e.conduct in context.

    Sucks!

  26. Vanz I agree with your inference that we should drug test all MPs, that would send a strong signal out to da community.

  27. “As far as lying about the cost of repairs, a Minister can only go by the figures given to him by the civil servants.”

    May I introduce you to the concept of “fall guys”.

    “we’re talking about how the ubp used the bhc as a candy store prior to 98.”

    They’ve had the books for a decade. Nada so far. But keep on keepin’ on.

    “white dudes callin’ black dudes bigots – cute”

    Hence why you’re a bigot. You judge by skin color not (your own) words or actions.

  28. “I don’t think that taxi drivers are credible witnesses just because they’re taxi drivers”.

    You know Ms Furbert, I had sort of hoped you would pick up my question, rather than the usual approach of “looking for the weakest point” and attacking/negatising it.

    I guess I was wrong to hope that way. I guess too that the taxi drivers will be delighted with your view.

    I will refrain from suggestions like…:I don’t think members of Cabinet are credible human beings just because they are Cabinet members”.

  29. we’re talking about how the ubp used the bhc as a candy store prior to 98.

    The PLP have had 10 years and their top “go to guy” on the job (aka the Colonel) during that time to investigate your unfounded accusations of UBP corruption at the BHC … but to date I don’t believe any inferences, insinuations, inklings or even implications have surfaced to even remotely support your illation of impropriety … unlike certain other “candy store” activities which have shown clear infractions (albeit immoral “but not illegal”) by a number of PLP members, including the sitting Premier.

  30. THE & pay to play.. are you suggesting the Premier has a history of brown envelope shuffling?

  31. Mike,

    I know that Derrick Burgess made a statement about the government purchasing a new car for the Premier, but I don’t know the date of that statement. All statements that are sent to the media by the Government are used by the news media. If it is important to you, I can find out the exact date that Minister Burgess made the statement.

    I still don’t know how taxi drivers would know about the Premier’s car. There were those who were saying that the damaged GP1 was being stored at the Fire Department and that was not true.

    By the way, I have no problem in making my views public, whether they be about taxi drivers, bus drivers, or any other drivers.

  32. I understand the last line – and not a problem to me either. Just a little concerned that you were suggesting (directly or by innuendo) that the taxi drivers are not reliable. Not sure where that thought comes from – personal experience maybe.

    Thanks for the offer of finding the date, but not necessary. My original point has been ‘missed’ in any event.

    The car was behind the Fire Station…but (understandably perhaps) I wouldn’t want to give you the name of the officer who told me.

    Onwards to the debate about drugs methinks.

  33. Vance, don’t be harsh – I know she’s boring but she’s your mother for goodness sake.

  34. On the car thing:

    Is there a specific issue with Premier Brown having a fancy car? Not particularly, he’s Premier and if he feels like going so far as to buy a million dollar lamborgini than so be it if it is done through proper budgeting and process. However it should be expected that any such purchase will come under the scrutinous eye of the public, whether for a million or just a dollar. In a day where our Premier fights so valiantly against claims of elitism it comes off as a bit rich for him to desire such a car. Especially in the eyes of the growing segment of our society who struggle to survive as they are outpaced by inflation while often not seeing pay raises to match.

    Yes, I have heard the arguement that the Governor has the same car. Indeed, Premier Brown could have used this to his advantage by getting a cheap car and refuted claims of elitism by pointing out the Governor’s extravagant ride. However, this is not what has occured. As some believe, the Premier should be entitled to the same car the Governor is provided and with that we can note one definition of elitism as defined by the American Herigage Dictionary:

    “The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.”

    As Premier should he be entitled to a car just as good as the Governor? If so, does that qualify for the above definition? Perhaps it also qualifies the Governor as well, but thats a different dicussion.

    When compounded upon rumors that he flies around in private jets, stays in the best rooms in top hotels and lives high on the public dollar it kind of lends to that image that, if these rumors are true, maybe he is elitest. However, it is not as if we have not had an elitest Premier in the past, for indeed we have. The distinction is whether or not Premier Brown is willing to accept that people may well develop such a perception rather than constantly trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the public pretending like he isn’t. Personally I would rather see him be honest and simply admit that it is the price you pay for good leadership, assuming good leadership is indeed what he is bringing us.

  35. “The physician is charged with 19 felony counts, including a lewd act on a 15-year-old, rape, sexual battery by fraud and sexual exploitation. The alleged acts occurred between Nov. 6, 2006, and May 31, 2008.

    If convicted, he would face up to 25 years in state prison.”

    That is also a very long potential time in the jailhouse. But I should add that this should not influence anyone’s opinions on the Premier. A father is not accountable for the sins of their sons, just like a wife should not be accountable for the sins of an estranged husband.

    Given the relationship between PGP and her husband, I think JS is pushing the connective links too far. If that sort of linage is acceptable, then the Bascome Sr/Jr is acceptable and to is the Brown Sr/Jr link.

    Whatever we may think, the political hacks of both parties will both try and take political advantage of these unfortunate circumstances.

    If I was a church going person (and I am not!) I would say that there are going to be a lot of people joining “Little Nicky” down where the sun don’t shine too much, but it is still pretty hot.

    Pitts Bay

  36. Sorry, these events influence many people’s impressions of both the Premier and PGP. These are just another layer of tarnish on Bermuda’s public life.
    The Premier uses “I was not brought up that way” as a defense. The flip side is how was his son brought up to lead to events such as this? Harsh but a commonly held sentiment.

  37. The Premier uses “I was not brought up that way” as a defense.

    While I agree Drs. Brown are both “their own man” if the Premier relies upon his upbringing as a basis to exonerate him from the elitist badge it concurrently puts him between a rock and a hard place while trying to defend his son’s alleged actions.

    The flip side is how was his son brought up to lead to events such as this? Harsh but a commonly held sentiment.

    Yes, I’m hearing that as well as the (not that I agree with it) “like father like son” saying.

  38. Both Dr Brown’s son, and PGP’s husband are their own entities. Unless it is documented that PGP benefited knowingly financially from her husband’s alleged dealings, then she does not need to resign.

    These are adults who are responsible for their own decisions, positive and negative. If Dr. Brown’s son was a teenager it would be different, but he is 37 years old.

  39. With respect to Minister Bascome, he stepped down when he faced charges of corruption due to his governmental position, but once those charges were dismissed he was reinstated. I see no problem with this. His current charges are in his private life and he has not been convicted of anything.

  40. I can’t see the link between Dr Brown’s son and the PLP or indeed the Govt.

    Whilst I disagree with much of what the Premier is doing, and I don’t like his style, I have to say (as a parent) that this whole episode must be weighing heavily on him.

    This is the second son (I think) to have been incarcerated or to have faced incarceration.

  41. 1 out of every 3 blk men in the US will be incarcerated at some point in their life time

    “Chidren Defense Fund’s Study:
    From the Craddle to the Prison Pipeline

    so maybe the premier’s situation it’s inevitable

  42. 9Ps,

    No i don’t. Not at this stage. If somewhere in the trial it is proven that she had a connection, or knowledge of his dealings then at that time she should step down.
    Not right now though.

  43. Vanz – I’m not sure a middle class doctor born into privilege can use that excuse – also he wasn’t exactly accused of holding up a 7/11 to feed his 4 kids and a crack habit eh?

  44. Zippy…Not really, but I understand your point.

    I have usually disagreed with Vanz both here and in BDSux, so not pampering to him, just telling it as it is.

  45. “i mean pamplin’s bail is 3 mil – the judge must feel that pamplin is a major player”

    Gawd knows what the judge thinks of the Brown show then at $4m. Sheesh!

  46. I disagree with comments that people should not judge someone cuz his/her spouse/child/pet ran afoul of the law. While it sucks to be the person being judged in this way, this “personal cost” is a much stronger force than the law will ever be. We can continue to fatten up Bermuda’s laws in a myriad of ways but we all know they are unlikely to be enforced, or enforced evenly. The danger of pissing off your family or damaging their reputation is a far more potent force than the law.

    And yes, I absolutely hold public figures to a higher standard than I would a normal citizen. The higher you hold yourself, the more I expect from you.

  47. While what the Premier’s son is up to is none of my business, one has to wonder at what point does this become a distraction for EB, who has quite a bit on his plate already what with running the country and managing two ministries. I suppose the same could be asked of Pat, although her responsibilites are not quite so demanding of her time and she doesn’t seem to care if her ‘worthless’ husband spends the next decade in jail or not…

  48. Gawd knows what the judge thinks of the Brown show then at $4m. Sheesh!

    the article in the la times stated that the bail was set so high because of dr. browns ties to a foreign country and flite risk issues – not so for pamplin

  49. The D……..see below:

    The four types of bonds are: a personal recognizance bond, a cash bond, a ten-percent bond and a surety bond.

    When the court sets a personal recognizance bond, the defendant is released after making a promise to return to court when required.

    A cash bond is a money guarantee that the defendant will return to court when required. When a cash bond is set, the defendant must pay the full bond amount to the court before being released from jail.

    Another type of bond is a ten-percent bond. In this bond, the court will accept payment of ten percent of the total bond as a guarantee that the defendant will appear as required. If the defendant does not appear, the court may require payment of the remaining ninety percent.

    The last type of bond is a surety bond. A surety bond is a promise made by someone other than the defendant that the defendant will appear as required. If you make a promise on behalf of the defendant, you must prove to the court that you will pay the bond amount if the defendant does not appear as required. Surety bonds may be posted by friends, relatives or a bond insurance company.

  50. “the article in the la times stated that the bail was set so high because of dr. browns ties to a foreign country and flite risk issues – not so for pamplin”

    ………….because, of course, Pamplin has no ties to any other country, and there’s no flight risk at all…….

  51. Mike, so is the “$3 million personal recognisance bond” a combination of a cash bond and a personal recognisance bond? Sorry I’m a little thick when it comes to this stuff, just seems like one is merely a promise to return to court without any money tied to the promise, and the other involves putting up some cash.

  52. “DENNIS PAMPLIN was remanded into the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service in lieu of a 3 million dollar personal recognizance bond.”

    “In court documents, prosecutors requested unusually heavy bail, noting that Brown, whose father heads the government of Bermuda, might attempt to flee there.”

    i’m simply quoting from the dea press release and the la times article – they don’t mention pamplin being a flite risk as the reason for a the 3 mil – they do however mention that in dr. brown’s case

  53. The alleged assaults occurred between Nov. 6, 2006, and May 31, 2008.

    interesting dates – the cops started monitoring dr. brown in nov. 2006…hmmmmm…what else happened in nov. 2006

    …it’s gonna get interesting

  54. Should we all come up with an interesting factoid for November 2006? Or would you like to expand a little?

  55. “mmmmm…what else happened in nov. 2006″

    I beleive it was the date the PLP stopped blaming the UDP and racism for all it’s screw ups, or was Nov 2026?

    Was it when he got the contract from Heff to give the Playboy bunnies their ‘medically exams’?

  56. coz I got my grind on…

    cute – r u from the 90s?

    from what u’ve read and ur commons sense – how many in this site think that dr. k brown is guilty?

  57. I dunno the guy, so I can honestly say, “who knows, guess we’ll find out”.
    If I knew him, I’d at least be able to say, “ya i can, or can’t see him doing something like that”

    You know him right? what do you think?

  58. I was totally unsure when we were talking of two incidents. Now?….I am really not sure. The old adage – “smoke without fire” etc, etc.

  59. Having a bad hair day here…

    Really meant it seems more likely that he is guilty given the numbers. The real problem (maybe) is – guilty or not – whether he can practice again.

  60. i went to howard university with kevin – from what i know of him he doesn’t fit the type (according to what i’ve read about the serial rapist profile) – also the lapd does not have a great track record when it comes to racial profiling – more importantly (and for what its worth) – when they interviewed several of his female patients (from different ages and races) they all where shocked – not one said she suspected some thing like that of dr. brown.

    and for me it doesn’t sound right – he has no complaints for his whole career then an 18 yr old korean girl goes to the lapd claims sexual misconduct — the cops send an officer undercover – and he apparently molests her as well – sounds too neat – but starnger things have happened

  61. Vanz

    You may well be right. Not sure that anyone here would wish to see a ‘guilty’ verdict if he isn’t, but that fresh evidence ain’t gonna help him.

    And…whether we like it or not…if a woman says she was touched in a wrong way…well how the hell do you argue that you didn’t.

  62. As you are innocent until proven guilty, and until he gets convicted or not he is innocent.

    Until then it’s all speculation

  63. I’d like to hear more about what you’ve read re: profiles. Just not sure how accurate they are.

    Think of the DC Sniper. For weeks you had ‘profilers’ all over the news claiming it was a white male, acting alone, with no military background. At least they got the male part right.

  64. i agree it sounds too neat.
    and rather coincidental that suddenly people would appear and file complaints.
    that being said….
    as seems to be the case with incidents like these, people may have thought they were inappropriately touched, but didn’t want to say anything in case they were wrong.
    Now they’re going, uh ya, i thought that was kinda weird.

    kinda like that episode of friends with Joey and the Tailor….

    but hey, like mike says.. how the hell do you prove your innocence against something like that.
    I think his only way out would be to prove they all had some beef with him.
    sad but true.

    oh, and thanks for an honest answer Vanz. appreciated.

  65. “i’m simply quoting from the dea press release and the la times article – they don’t mention pamplin being a flite risk as the reason for a the 3 mil – they do however mention that in dr. brown’s case

    bet you that white devil Bill Zuill and the RG told the LA times what to write…right Vance?

    Your whole little plan is failing at the moment. You are desperately fishing/trolling for someone to state outright that Dr. Brown’s son is guilty, so you can turn into a racial argument. But no one fell for it so you blatantly ask who thinks he is guilty instead of the stupid little, childish and immature games that you play. You are pathetic my friend.

  66. the 90s – is that like ten years after any of us called each other nigga?

    I don’t think anyone here has made any legally dodgy comments of the ilk that you have done with the milkman

  67. Your whole little plan is failing at the moment.

    thanx for giving me that clever nefarious credit but i was actually hoping to have a regular discussion – but hey – whatever floats ya boat.

    arrgghh whitey!!! %$#@ crackers!!!

    is that better for you

    re; the dc profile – i think that that was an exception to the rule – but ur right – no profiling system is perfect

  68. I just remembering being in the DC area at the time, when everyone was freaking out looking for some crazy white dude in a white box truck, boy were we off base there…..

    I think that after a year of investigating this the police would be unlikely to arrest if they weren’t fairly positive that they had a real case and that it would lead to a conviction. I suppose that doesn’t really say anything about actual guilt or innocence though. It’s a tough position to argue really, how can you prove “beyond a shadow of a doubt” what is inappropriate and what is not? Either way, this guy’s reputation is shot and if found innocent will have a difficult time of getting his career back on track…..

  69. How do you prove innocence, and even if you could does it really matter? Innocent/guilty, convicted/not… Brown is a black doctor in the US accused of a variety of sex offenses, he’s toast, end of practice.

    As for Pamplin, normally I’d agree with her stepping aside at least until the picture becomes clearer but I was under the impression that they were pretty much married in name only these days so that changes things a bit. The money trail should be followed to see if any of it hits her and if she’s clean then carry on. If it’s uncovered that he’s sent her money or something she should step aside even if she didn’t know where the money came from until such time as she can be formally cleared.

  70. “but I was under the impression that they were pretty much married in name only…”

    honest question – why is this always said – has she announced that she’s getting divorced if the marriage is such a sham? it sounds ridiculous when she disses her own husband in in the press but remains married – kids are urs for lief but a spouse is by choice (especially considering no fault divorces)

  71. I just assumed they weren’t actually divorced for religious reasons or something along those lines

  72. I agree with Vanz on that one I’m afraid.
    As much as I like PGP.
    at the same time though, we don’t know anything about reasons for not being divorced.
    Maybe they thought it would work out. Maybe he looks good in a thong. who knows.
    maybe this is the last straw?
    an extreme last straw mind you….and seriously, i think the last one would’ve been the last straw for me…

  73. Vanz…

    I guess we all know that you (a) want to protect the Prem, and (b) will suggest a theory that throws people off the scent or lays blame etc, when something goes pear-shaped. I might even do the same.

    But, I trust you are not suggesting that (say) the UBP actually set up LAPD to monitor Dr Brown Jr because his father had become Premier- are you? I have a fairly elastic mind – but that is stretching in the ultimate.

  74. Vanz

    “and for me it doesn’t sound right – he has no complaints for his whole career then an 18 yr old korean girl goes to the lapd claims sexual misconduct”

    This is a criminal matter, not an 18yr old Korean looking for easy cash via a civil route. Why would she complain unless it happened…?

  75. Vanz

    One last question. Isn’t it ‘normal’ practice for a doctor to have a female nurse with him when he examines a lady?

  76. 1.) But, I trust you are not suggesting that (say) the UBP actually set up LAPD to monitor Dr Brown Jr because his father had become Premier- are you? I have a fairly elastic mind – but that is stretching in the ultimate.

    and i said that where?

    2.) This is a criminal matter, not an 18yr old Korean looking for easy cash via a civil route. Why would she complain unless it happened…?

    never said that either but there are precedents for criminal cases bought and dropped followed by a civil case

    “The sexual assault charge against Kobe Bryant has been dropped, but his accuser — whose reluctance to participate derailed the criminal trial before it ever really got started — isn’t letting the NBA star off the hook just yet.

    But the Los Angeles Lakers star still faces her federal civil lawsuit seeking unspecified damages.”

    3.) One last question. Isn’t it ‘normal’ practice for a doctor to have a female nurse with him when he examines a lady?

    a female patient has the right to ask for a female nurse to be present if she is being seen by a male dr.

  77. But, I trust you are not suggesting that (say) the UBP actually set up LAPD to monitor Dr Brown Jr because his father had become Premier

    u should watch the docs. The Hunting of the President or better yet the doc, Lamumba: Death of a Prophet as an examples of how far people will go to discredit a politician.

    in a recent interview obama gaffed and said that there where 52 states in the US – rush limbaugh told his audience that teh number 52 is the number of muslim states and that obama was sending some sort of code to the islamic world – his audience believed him

    people do crazy things to discredit others

  78. Vanz

    Appreciate that you ‘didn’t suggest’…but I am asking the question. Is that what you mean? If it isn’t – then that’s fine.

    Discrediting. Sure – it goes on, of course it does. But trying to get the Premier of Bermuda to (say) resign, or (b) getting the PLP to dump him by getting the LAPD to discredit the son, is (well) a long shot at best…and you know it is. There are easier routes that could be taken to achieve that objective.

    If certain people in Bermuda decided that it was really necessary to remove the Premier by ‘discrediting him’, because he was a serious threat to the fabric of society, then it would happen as you well know. People might moan and groan about the guy, but – come the day that he “fundamentally” affects the balance here, then that’s the day that he will be removed – by whatever it takes to achieve that.

  79. do some cops plant drugs on innocent (of that crime) suspects.

    several fed convictions against dirty cops say yes, (not to mention pacino in serpico)

    more often than not – the pansy is someone poor probably a minority

    this pattern shows up over and over – is it a conspiracy against the poor and the minorities?

    no.

    but to what end to dirty cops do this?

    money, disrespect and stupidity.

    u tell me.

  80. Dirty cops are everywhere – clean ones too! Dirty politicians UK/US/BDA – clean ones too!

    Speculation…possible of course…but speculation. I guess we will have to wait for the evidence to come out. My worry is, as I said earlier, I think Brown Jnr will have an up hill battle on his hands.

    1) Nurse in attendance. Forget ‘right to ask’ – he should play safe on that one, and have a nurse with him. Basics. Common sense. Professional.
    2) Unlikely Korean has fiduciary motive.
    3) How do you disprove you weren’t touched wrongly? Is it now 7 people who have come forward?
    4) The numbers game – 7 people saying “this ain’t right”.
    5) Police officer evidence lends credibility.

    Difficult position to be in.

    As I also said earlier, guilty or not – can he continue to practice?

  81. 1) Nurse in attendance. Forget ‘right to ask’ – he should play safe on that one, and have a nurse with him. Basics. Common sense. Professional.

    true – but my friend who is a nurse says hat at clinics (in canada at least) almost no one brings a nurse in (or female tech as a lot of clinics don’t even have nurses – just doctors, receptionist and techs)

    2) Unlikely Korean has fiduciary motive.
    don’t know what that means – did kobe’s colorado university student unlikely have fiduciary motive? turns out she did – so u can never tell

    3) How do you disprove you weren’t touched wrongly? Is it now 7 people who have come forward?

    that’s hard – don’t really have an answer – but la is a strange place – i would imagine that the lawyer will have several of those dismissed i’m betting

    4) The numbers game – 7 people saying “this ain’t right”.

    people say things for a lot of different reasons – didn’t some guy cop to kidnapping some girl in thailand just for the attention – or as eddie murphy joked when he was involved on a club brawl – “people came out of the woodwork to sue me – people just wanted to get paid”

    5) Police officer evidence lends credibility.

    this i think gets thrown out – sounds like entrapment – did the cop go to far in trying o get brown to bite – it may be the one thing that makes the whole case moot – if browns rights where violated in some way

    Difficult position to be in.

    true

    As I also said earlier, guilty or not – can he continue to practice?

    there’s a case in queensland where a doc kept his liscense after a conviction (queensland however has horrendous standards from what i read apparently)

    but – it’s all speculation

  82. Vanz – if you applied any of your tortuous logic to the Dunkley case then I think we might have avoided your libellous vendetta that has bored the backside off anyone in your spittle flecked range for the last few years…

    peace out bwoi.

  83. The investigation of Dr. Brown appears not to be limited to sexual assault. Another ongoing case has now come to light involving the over-prescribing of pain medication (oxycodene) as well as him being the mastermind of a scheme to defraud two publicly funded California insurance companies set-up to assist the poor.

    The Bermuda Sun this morning reports that sworn affidavits reveal Dr. Brown set up other practitioners’ businesses/clinics in return for a percentage of their take.

  84. “true – but my friend who is a nurse says hat at clinics (in canada at least) almost no one brings a nurse in (or female tech as a lot of clinics don’t even have nurses – just doctors, receptionist and techs)”

    Can’t see that being used as a precedent here – can you? You look after yourself first and foremost – what they do in Canada is irrelevant.

    “Unlikely Korean has fiduciary motive – don’t know what that means”

    That’s me being a smart ass. Meant what I said earlier – this is not a civil claim for damages etc. A straight criminal case.

    “people say things for a lot of different reasons – didn’t some guy cop to kidnapping some girl in thailand just for the attention – or as eddie murphy joked when he was involved on a club brawl – “people came out of the woodwork to sue me – people just wanted to get paid”

    Yes they do. But – even if all 7 had a vendetta against him – you still come back to “he touched me wrongly”. Prove he didn’t. Plus, no one is sueing anyone here.

    “there’s a case in queensland where a doc kept his liscense after a conviction (queensland however has horrendous standards from what i read apparently)”

    Not sure that one can argue what happens in Queensland is even remotely relevant. They also f…k sheep in Queensland – oh – and Wales and Australia!

    “but – it’s all speculation”

    True.

  85. “as eddie murphy joked when he was involved on a club brawl – “people came out of the woodwork to sue me”

    Even more of a reason to “take care”, to take steps that protect you from such people. Maybe he was just sloppy?

  86. Vanz – How do you reconcile your (bordering on unquestioning) defense of Dr. Brown (post 102) with the seemingly illogical (and certainly unwavering and unsupported) offensive positions you’ve taken against the RG, Dunkley, Dunleavy, etc. and anybody else you disagree with … none of whom are currently (or in the past) at the receiving end of multiple criminal charges?

  87. Really I dont think that the particular’s of Kevin Brown’s trial or situation need to be discussed in this medium.
    Yes we know he has been arrested and charged on a multitude of issues. However none of these seem to have an relation to Bermuda or to his father. We can make insinuations, implications and have opinions on different things, but none of us are privy to any of the official documentation or investigation.
    I think we are better served moving on from this.

  88. That’s me being a smart ass. Meant what I said earlier – this is not a civil claim for damages etc. A straight criminal case.

    in the kobe case – the civil case didn’t come out till after the criminal case was done so we don’t know what she has in mind:

    “Los Angeles Lakers basketball star Kobe Bryant and the woman who accused him of sexual assault in a criminal case that tarnished his reputation and threatened his career have agreed to settle a civil lawsuit arising from the now-dropped charges, ABC reported on Tuesday.”

    i didn’t reference the nurse situation as a precedent here – all i said is that it’s probably the patient who initiates the request. if it turns out that she did not request a nurse – that may work for the defense

    Not sure that one can argue what happens in Queensland is even remotely relevant.

    u asked if any docs have kept their liscense after a conviction – i gave an example (u didn’t specify)

    you still come back to “he touched me wrongly”. Prove he didn’t.

    for what it’s worth, in america the burden of proof is actually on the accuser

    The investigation of Dr. Brown appears not to be limited to sexual assault.

    “Dr. Brown, is also being investigated by the state for “multiple healthcare fraud schemes has not been charged in connection with that inquiry.”

  89. Vanz – How do you reconcile your (bordering on unquestioning) defense of Dr. Brown (post 102) with the seemingly illogical (and certainly unwavering and unsupported) offensive positions you’ve taken against the RG, Dunkley, Dunleavy, etc. and anybody else you disagree with … none of whom are currently (or in the past) at the receiving end of multiple criminal charges?

    They’re white. Vanz Chapman is racist.

    Reconciled.

  90. Vanz,

    Licensing issues aside, he’d probably find it extremely difficult (impossible) to get malpractice insurance. Then again I don’t know much about the specifics of California legislation on that sort of thing… maybe if he can’t get a private insurer the state has to step in and insure him as long as he’s licensed or something, I kinda doubt it though.

  91. Vanz – How do you reconcile your (bordering on unquestioning) defense of Dr. Brown (on light if your) offensive positions you’ve taken against the RG, Dunkley, Dunleavy, etc.

    but aren’t u doing the same thing w/ the RG, Dunkley, Dunleavy – teh majority of the island know that the rg is historically racist – billy zuill admits as much when he talks of former editor david white’s editorial choices.

    dunkley’s company was used to import drugs and the husband of his deputy leader was arrested exporting drugs to bda – either he’s stupid, unlucky or both

    dunleavy is the son of a brit cop bought here during the racist 70s who now seeks to tell people who have been here for generations what’s what – if he’s mad at dad 4 making him grow u a minority in bda – take it up with his dad

    and anybody else you disagree with …

    i disagree with starling, pitcher, vexed

  92. May I recommend therapy and perhaps some lithium.

    The Canadian taxpayer will pick up the tab for you Vanz.

  93. They’re white. Vanz Chapman is racist.

    i’m racist against about 10 white guys who post on bdan blogs – i’m a 10 white dude racist.

    maybe if he can’t get a private insurer the state has to step in and insure him as long as he’s licensed or something, I kinda doubt it though.

    we’ll see i guess – from what i understand – kevin knows some legal heavy hitters – and the la da is not highly regarded – that being said – the guilty should be punished – the innocent exonerated (and maybe even compensated)

    i’m done – as mambochaps (wicked name) knows – i gotta go and “not work”

  94. May I recommend therapy and perhaps some lithium.

    wow, that’s new and funny

    maybe i’ll go and wave at traffic – u byes love that sorta negro huh

  95. Johnny Barnes is only slightly less crazy and obsessive than you. I’m not a fan of either.

    I’d take a harmless waver over a vicious racist any day though.

    As you were.

  96. “i’m racist against about 10 white guys who post on bdan blogs – i’m a 10 white dude racist.”

    racism is racism. No matter how many people you might be racist towards. As they say admitting you have a problesm is the first step Vance.

  97. If a white Bermudian saud he/she was racist towards only several Black Bermudians, what woud you say? You would say “see i told you so, all these crackers are inherent;y racist towards ALL Blacks as I have always assumed.” You are a nasty fu*king hypocrite.

  98. Heavens guys…I’d hate to see this site turn into another one of Vanzs derailments of opinions. No matter where I go it’s the same ole same ole.

    I just happened upon this site and it is the mirror image of another.

    Best of luck.

  99. Up the lithium dosage Vance and stop playing psychologist. It’s almost as bad as your D-list movies.

  100. but aren’t u doing the same thing w/ the RG, Dunkley, Dunleavy

    No. I’m not defending any of those parties from criminal prosecution.

    However, you go seem to out our of your way to defend Kevin Brown while at the same time expend as much energy (if not more) attacking RG, Dunkley & Dunleavy … none of which/whom are facing criminal prosecution. Their “crime” appears to be nothing more than having a different point of view from you. Nothing illegal in that.

  101. By Richard Winton, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    3:30 PM PDT, July 23, 2008

    A South Los Angeles doctor charged with sexually abusing eight patients, including a 15-year-old girl, is also under investigation for molesting seven other people who went to him for medical care, prosecutors said today in Los Angeles County Superior Court.

    In a preliminary hearing, Court Commissioner Henry Hall ordered that Dr. Kevin Brown, 37, be held in jail on $4-million bail, despite protests from his attorneys who suggested it was far higher than bail set in similar cases and seemed to be punitively based on his father’s position as premier of Bermuda.

    But Hall agreed with prosecutors that Brown posed a “grave risk” to the community, as well as a potential flight risk because of his financial means and ability to flee to Bermuda, where his father heads the government.

    Hall said that given the accusations and growing number of accusers it is likely there are more victims. The court commissioner noted that Brown was also being investigated in a multimillion-dollar healthcare fraud probe by the state. Hall continued Brown’s arraignment to Aug. 7 and ordered him not to contact the alleged victims.

    As for the new allegations, at least three cases are being prepared against Brown, Deputy Dist. Atty. Ann Marie Wise said in court, and four other patients have come forward and will be interviewed by investigators.

    Regarding the eight cases for which Brown has already been charged, at least one of the incidents occurred outside Brown’s medical office when he went to the home of a female patient in Alhambra and allegedly raped her, Wise said.

    The California Medical Board also has filed a motion with the court to suspend or revoke Brown’s medical license, she said.

    The doctor’s attorneys, Keith Bowman and Blair Berk, portrayed Brown as a physician arrested for touching patients and said that detectives went to the media to appeal for more victims.

    Brown was jailed Monday on suspicion of sexually assaulting a number of female patients, including a 15-year-old girl and an undercover Los Angeles Police Department officer.

    Brown allegedly molested eight patients over a two-year period. He is also being investigated by the state for “multiple healthcare fraud schemes and over prescription of Oxycodone,” according to court documents. He has not been charged in connection with that inquiry.

    His arrest came after several women contacted authorities and accused Brown of sexually battering or raping them during medical examinations, Wise said. Brown faces 19 felony counts, including a lewd act on a 15-year-old, rape, sexual battery by fraud and sexual exploitation. The alleged assaults occurred between Nov. 6, 2006, and May 31, 2008. If convicted, he faces 27 years in state prison.

    At the time of his arrest Monday, Brown was free on bail for a previous sexual assault arrest.

  102. According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on studies, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9

  103. The D…

    The link works if your sitting where Vanz is sitting.

    Pleased to see he has a good lawyer….I have a feeling against a backdrop of ‘up to 27 years in prison’, he really needs to get the best.

  104. I see your point about the wrongly accused statistic, and I agree with that.
    However, to be statistically fair, how many of them are accused by 1 person, and how many of them have several accusations on them?
    Also, do we know the ethnic breakdown of brown’s accusers?
    And for that fact, do we know the ethnic breakdown of the posted statistics accusers and accusees (is that even a word?)

  105. Vanz…

    “The alleged assaults occurred between Nov. 6, 2006, and May 31, 2008.”

    too coincidental? if so it’ll come out in the trial – he’s got a good lawyer:

    Were you thinking of putting some ‘supportable’ meat on the bone at all…or are we just to guess what you had in mind?

  106. … and everyone just ignores the Korean “out for money” statement … why is the alleged victim’s race important to you Vanz?

  107. “everyone just ignores the Korean “out for money” statement … why is the alleged victim’s race important to you Vanz?”

    It’s tough to catch everyone of his slurs.

  108. so what is your view if it one of these alleged victims are African American Vance? Do you still hold that same “gold digging” view that you are incinuating the Korean girl is?

  109. Most people have moved past L.A. April 1992 … seems Vanz has not … its racism Vanz pure and simple … no slavery issues here … just racism against Koreans.

  110. at least he’s not having a pop at the red sea pedestrians this time, Vance loves to share the hate.

  111. just racism against Koreans.

    where exactly did i say anything against koreans? the original la times article stated that the first alleged victim to coem fwd. was korean – all i did was repost what the times said.

    and my reference to alleged rape victims and money was a reference to kobe’s case where criminal charges where bought dropped, a civil case was then bought and kobe settled out of court with her.

    again a repost – how u get e being racist against koreans is cute – especially considering i’m married to an asian woman.

    the irony is that i live, work and socialize within a multi culti network here in canada – while the absurdist here who call me racist probably have a very racially limited network – cute

  112. Oh Vanz … I know you are married to an Asian … that fact does not absolve you from your racism here (and frankly I am surprised you would fall back on such a weak defence) …

    Why did you feel the need to point out the alleged victim’s race? … its racism Vanz and you know it.

    As for being an absurdist … ha ha … I am very sure even you would approve of the extent of my extremely racially diverse network. One day we will meet and you will likely have to retract your statement above – cute.

  113. history tells us that white bda is guilty of racism – not the other way around – it pisses some of u off because in your experience it’s you who get treated like crap by blks – but because of the demographics and local power structure of bda you don’t really call blks on their shit out of fear – the annonimity of the blogs allows u to vent ur frustration with fear of reprisal – however – the bulk of blk bda spend no time on these blogs so you really can’t get your rocks off – occasionally i come on and tell you the truth – it coincides with the vibe that you get from many blks you interact with which freaks you out – psychologically it’s safer and easier for you to believe that i’m the lone gunman – so rather than fight real battles right there where u live (the way blks did back in the day) like nerds you fight imaginary battles on line in lieu of any real risk taking – it’s quite pathetic actually – u’ve convinced yourself that your racial issues have something to do with a person u’ve never met and who lives thousands of miles away, tapping away on his keyboard while he plays either GTA IV on his ps 3 of netal gear on hsi wii.

    now, to back to winning your battles

  114. “and for me it doesn’t sound right – he has no complaints for his whole career then an 18 yr old korean girl goes to the lapd claims sexual misconduct — the cops send an officer undercover – and he apparently molests her as well – sounds too neat – but starnger things have happened.”

    and the racist undertone is where?

    oh i see it – i didn’t capitalize the K in korean – boy you lay psychoanalyst got me – cute

  115. Vanz Vanz Vanz … we have had enough exchanges on the blogs that you should know where I stand now … and I say the same things in person as I say on the blogs … and yeah I know others who share your views … and yeah they get the same responses from me in person … funny thing is that we still talk civilly to one another … a discourse occurs … they don’t go off like you have in post#142 above … nice assumptions by the way Vanz … if someone calls you on your racism then they must be white … why I could be Korean for all you know …

    Look here’s the point Vanz … even the news reporters omit the race of the alleged victim … why because its irrelevant … this is an example of you stirring the pot in a nice quiet way that you believe most whites won’t recognise … the history of black racism toward Koreans is well known … and is based in the belief that Koreans had an easier time as a minority in North America than blacks did … Koreans were viewed by some blacks as “money hungry” … your reference to her race and then subsequently bringing up the Kobe case is just a subtle way of defending Dr. Kevin Brown … by marginalising the alleged victim based on her race.

    Its racism Vanz … and you should cut it out if you want others to take your own claims of the racism of others seriously.

  116. Vanz,

    So are you saying that your twisted and hatred filled view is held by all black Bermudians towards their white counterparts? Do you speak for all these individuals?

    How dare you say that you are not racist, when you continue to post in that manner. The fact of the matter is that your numerous posts on BDA blogs always contain racial rhetoric. What other view would you like us to have of yourself? You only ever show one side when someone doesn’t agree with your pov. If you don’t want to be viewed or called a racist then stopping acting like a dickhead everytime someone talks out against EB or the PLP and pull the race card.

    You think by posting that hateful sh*t under your real name makes you a man? It makes you a pathetic and hate filled individual and that’s it. You do not allow for any debate on any manner without throwing historical references as well as racial and is tiring and makes your argument null and void everytime.

    Not too long ago (in the “More labor blunders” thread) when I was arguing with your mother, you told me “move on” as “adults do/would.” Shouldn’t you take a piece of your own advice and stop using all these past examples of ignorance and strive for a more unified BDA, instead of being stuck in the past and justifying “unethical” acts of the prsent government on the basis that it has happened before under the previous administration? This argument only shows how the UBP/PLP are not so different after all.

    You keep on assuming shit about ppl on this site. You have no f*cking idea about who I am or who my company is and for you to call me a racist cause I don’t agree with certain views that are held by certain Black Bermudians is outright slander and bullsh*t. That’s your biggest problem, assumptions. Get a new f*cking argument you idiot.

    Ya, people do call you racist, myself included, but these are not assumptions. I can pick out probably more than 100 posts between different BDA blogs to show you that is yourself that has created this perception. But it really isn’t a perception anymore, you have made it a fact.

    You claim to know the “truth.” The truth is that you cannot comprehend any sort of situation without it being related to some racial issue and it is sad and does nothing for the future and progress of this island.

    Why do you and your mother need to know the identities of bloggers so bad? Are you looking to write a letter to each one of our employers claiming we are racist? Are you trying to get us kicked off the island (good luck, I AM BERMUDIAN through and through). Or maybe, as you stated in a past thread, you are looking to get some family members of MPs to come take care of we byes because of our criticisms of their actions. Are you two like teh PLP’s gestapo or something?

    I was highly surprised to find tou that you went to Howard, due to your ignorant comments that you make on a daily basis.

  117. You raise an interesting point 9Ps.

    The common used defence of “the UBP did it” sometimes makes me think that the current PLP government is trying to be just like the UBP were when they were in power and not the instrument of change the PLP claims that they are.

  118. Oh as an aside Dr. Kevin Brown will just set up a captive in Bermuda to solve any insurance issues he may encounter as a result of the allegations against him … if he has not already done so.

  119. Vanz, no doubt you gay friends as well as Jewish ones as well. That’s not an indemnity just a sign that you have very tolerant acquaintances… bwoi.

  120. “I can’t be racist. Some of my best friends are [fill in the blank].”

    Well done Vanz. Page one of Racism for Dummies. Or is that Dummies for Racism?

  121. John

    Sorry to cut across this…erm…interesting debate, but have you seen the attached:

    http://plp.bm/node/1369

    Eight rows down…..!!

    The whole article reads:

    The Blog is Back
    Submitted by PLP on 23 July 2008 – 7:12pm.

    We’re back and we’re better than ever. If you’re sick and tired of the media spin and their troubling obsession with petty issues, you’re not alone.

    During the recently concluded session of Parliament, your PLP Government delivered on one of our cornerstone election promises. We put Bermudians first by making sure that all Bermudian families who need it most will have access to free, high quality day care.

    Free day care is a big help for working families. Let’s face it, day care is really expensive and too many mothers and fathers have to shell out large sums of money to make sure their kids are taken care of. No more. Thanks to your PLP government, all hard working Bermudian parents will be able to send their kids to free, high quality day care.

    We are pleased that members of the United Bermuda Party voted for the PLP’s free day care proposal. However, we were perplexed that a party that so often plays the wasteful spending card criticised us for focusing on helping the people of Bermuda. Maybe the UBP forget who they are representing. Remember during the election when they proposed granting Bermudian status to up to 8,000 people and adding them to the voter rolls? First it was Bermudian status and now it’s day care for foreigners! Perhaps the UBP should stop fighting for foreigners and join with the PLP and put Bermudians first.

    Free day care is an amazing accomplishment, but, we still have a lot to do. We must provide FutureCare for our seniors and college tuition relief for our students. It would be a travesty if we couldn’t pay for these key programmes aimed at helping Bermudians if our money was tied up providing luxuries to foreigners who call a place other than Bermuda home.

    It’s time to be proactive. The PLP government is focused like a laser beam on improving the lives of working people. We’ve had enough talk – we’re taking action to help working families and we’ll always put Bermudians first.

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    I think that you need to get your facts straight, it is NOT FREE FOR ALL BERMUDIANS, there is a limit on income to the household – I believe Dale Butler said $70,000.00, and under would benefit from this.

    I think that taking care of seniors would have been a priority over daycare.

    However, I do agree that it should not be for foreigner, as they tend to make higher salaries and alot of them also get living allowances.
    Submitted by Hazel on 24 July 2008 – 12:11pm.

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    Thanks for the note, Hazel. Regarding the seniors, the PLP government is working hard on FutureCare. Taking care of seniors is absolutely a priority for the PLP.
    Submitted by PLP on 24 July 2008 – 12:41pm.

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  122. Yes. I saw that just now.

    I am planning to write a post about what others have already noted, re the need for a separation of Party and Government, and in that will address some of this type stuff also.

    As for the strikethrough ‘all’ in ‘all hard working Bermudians’ my theory it is really just a typo, but a rather unfortunate one at that.

    I personally believe that daycare should be extended to all residents, although it should be phased in according to need (be the children Bermudian or not) as determined by income. To me daycare, like education and shelter, healthcare, food and water, is a right and not a priveledge. This distinction being made only feeds into counterproductive xenophobia. True, the number of foriegners who might need such daycare on the account of financial need may be small, but all the more reason why it shouldn’t have been brought up in the first place, they would not be an unfair burden on our costs.

  123. Oh Vanz … go do your turtle thing then if you can’t handle it. Your remarks were offensive and I called you on it.

  124. funny – a klan of white dudes calling the blk dude racist- cute

    but hey, let’s try and deal with this once and for all.

    1st, starling – u r one of the few white bloggers i’ve spoken to directly without all the rhetoric – tell me – did u find me to be racist? if so pls tell me cuz maybe all of my white friends are wrong but my white enemies are right.

    2ndly, starling as a white bdan how do u find, on average, especially considering the proximity, the general attitude between whites in bda twds blacks?

    if u ask most blk bdans they will tell you that ironically they’ve connected with more whites outside of bda then within – a point that UBP mp john barritt made when he said he had more blk friends in college than he has since rtng to bermuda

    starling often talks about the workers mood on the ground – there’s a racial mood as well – and it’s not as boring as simple hate – it’s worse it’s indifference

    the length of ur responses tell me that it’s something that bothers u and eats away at u an dis simply not something that i happened to have bought up

  125. Jonny,

    About the need of foreigners for daycare … I think you may be wrong on the numbers. There are a lot of ex-patriots doing jobs which Bermudians will not do … landscaping, dishwashing, waitering, hotel staff, etc. … these folk don’t get paid much and would likely qualify if the daycare priviledges were extended to them … something to consider.

  126. Vanz … what is not to understand about bringing up the race of one of Dr. Kevin Brown’s alleged victims being racist? Its irrelevant information brought up by you to discredit the alleged victim and defend Dr. Kevin Brown … Bermuda may not have seen much if any of the Black/Korean racial tension but I have and you should have too given you are in a major city with a large ethnic diversity … I don’t hate you Vanz … I have defended your right to your opinions … but when you are wrong I’m going to tell you so … either on the blogs or in person.

    Like I said if you want people to take your claims of racism seriously you must not be racist yourself. Glass houses …

  127. darkside – i’m going to respond to u in a serious manner just this once – the first mention i heard of dr. brown’s son’s arrest was a la news report that i watched online – it opened the story by referencing that a korean woman had accused kevin of sexual misconduct – unlike bda i guess, race informs certain things i guess – so when i said that she was korean i was simply recounting how the news first came to me – trust me – if i call people crackers i’m not about to all of a sudden become subtle when it comes to race.

    as far as the kobe reference – kobe was a young blk male accused of rape in criminal (which was dropped) and then in civil court (which was settled)

    tie will tell when (and it looks like it will) the case goes to court if any of the alleged victims opt out of the criminal case but pursue civil cases

    that being said the US judicial system has a horrendous track record when it comes to its treatment of young blk men -

  128. Its irrelevant information brought up by you to discredit the alleged victim and defend Dr. Kevin Brown …

    so was cbs news being racist as well – u miss the pppppoint – if the news mentions her race and i reiterate what the news says – hows that racist

    “I don’t hate you Vanz … I have defended your right to your opinions ”
    dude – u take ur postings way to seriously – do i sound like i’m looking for ur approval – :-) have u read what i post

  129. Thank you Vanz for responding. So I am to understand that the L.A. News you watched made the racial reference (big surprize there … April 1992) and you just repeated it blindly without considering that it was irrelevant (like all the other news sources to report the story that I have read) and then you threw in the Kobe Bryant reference for what exactly?

    But okay then … a little too tidy an explanation for me … but okay.

    At least those who read this site are now aware that racism comes in many forms and is not just a black and white matter.

    I would ask you talk to your wife and get her impression of your comments … an Asian feminine perspective may enlighten your own views.

  130. You know Vanz you could take a little more care in your postings … they are going to be here for all to see for a very long time.

  131. Yeah Vanz … I do read what you post …

    So if I hear a white racist carrying on about black people and I repeat what this racist says I’m not being racist? I think not. There is a flaw in your logic there Vanz.

    Let me know when you are next in Bermuda.

  132. they are going to be here for all to see for a very long time.

    like my old report cards

    i’ll be there in 3 weeks – we should meet at docksiders or robin hood or baa clubhouse or at the non mariners race :)

  133. How about Rock Island?

    BTW you won’t be here for the holiday if you are coming in three weeks.

  134. Vanz –

    RE “that being said the US judicial system has a horrendous track record when it comes to its treatment of young blk men ”

    small point but I’d like to hear you expand on this. I understand that young black men have it rough when it comes to the criminal justice system in the states, and that they are way too disproportionately represented in said system.

    But – is Dr. Kevin Brown really a ‘young’ black man? when I think of ‘young’ black men in the states getting targeted unfairly I think of kids getting pulled over and harrassed, arrested, but not a middle aged professional being investigated over time for sexual battery and medical fraud.

    I know it’s a complex situation and not one that can be explained in a single post on a blog, but do you really think that this is just another case of a ‘young’ black man being targeted by a racist system?

  135. rodney king was not a teenager nor was shawn bell or Amadou Diallo black man dragged to death behind pickup truck, goes on trial, Jasper,- in re; to kevin i don’t think it’s complex at all – either he has a serious problem in which case he’s dealing with demons that no one knew about or it’s a set up with the cops causing a frenzy – considering what happens in the US – both are possible

  136. rodney king was not a teenager nor was shawn bell or Amadou Diallo in re; to kevin i don’t think it’s complex at all – either he has a serious problem in which case he’s dealing with demons that no one knew about or it’s a set up with the cops causing a frenzy – considering what happens in the US – both are possible

  137. I’m not saying that there haven’t been some disgusting cases of racism, those are two examples of just that. But Kevin Brown hasn’t been beaten by police or tied up behind a truck. You referred to the historical mistreatment of ‘young black men’ by the criminal justice system. I took that to mean things like racial profiling, and harassing young black men just because they are black. This seems different to me, in that they investigated the guy for a year before arresting him.

  138. there’s still something odd with the whole thing – i mean they start looking into him within a week or so of his father (and what his father represents) being elected premier – too weird – there’s more than meets the eye to this and i’m sure when the trial starts things will come out – like i said – either it’s a str8 set up or someone held onto info until they needed it

  139. When did they get the first complaint? I thought it was a year ago (the Korean) and after his first arrest the incidents that women started coming forward about dated back to Nov 2006. I may be wrong, but if that’s the case, it wouldn’t seem that the whole conspiracy thing holds any water.

    there’s always the other possibility that you mentioned earlier, that he has a serious problem.

    Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t convicted the guy in my mind, just trying to work through the different explanations that you’ve thrown out there and some of them don’t make sense to me.

    It’s funny – the subject of this thread is Dennis Pamplin….

  140. Rock Island sounds good and they have a half price deal on “lattes for bigots” on Wednesday evenings.

    Result.

  141. What happened in Nov 2006? Is that when you begin your campaign of terror Vanz? Perhaps you set Kevin Brown up. That’s as believable as your red herrings.

    Stop peddling stupid theories founded in nothing but your racist wet dreams.

  142. “1st, starling – u r one of the few white bloggers i’ve spoken to directly without all the rhetoric – tell me – did u find me to be racist? if so pls tell me cuz maybe all of my white friends are wrong but my white enemies are right.”

    So why do you find it necessary to use that language to bloggers that hold opposing views to you?

    And you think you are funny with your little comment, “funny – a KLAN of white dudes calling the blk dude racist- cute” is funny you ass?

    Why do you think we are racist Vanz?

  143. i mean they start looking into him within a week or so of his father (and what his father represents) being elected premier

    The U.S. is only just starting to link Kevin Brown with his father following stories which appeared in the local media this month.

    Nonetheless, what exactly does his father “represent” that would cause the U.S. to investigate his family, especially considering the fact the Premier has made no effort to hide his efforts to cozy up with powerful and influential U.S. politicians (Rangel, etc.) and businessmen (Johnson, etc.) during trips to D.C. and boondoggles to various Congressional Black Caucus events?

  144. no, no i don’t it’s a major govt. conspiracy (although i love those) i think it’s something more personal – like an individual – ie. a few months ago some posters on bda sux mused that someone should call revenue canada and spread lies that i was making money in bda but unreporting it on my cdn taxes – i’m thinking something in that vein

  145. Vanz, I’m sure they were just harmless cranks, you know like the confused old girl who kept making threats to the Limey.

    I’m sure you’re safe from the IRS.

    Why not make a film about it?

  146. “no, no i don’t it’s a major govt. conspiracy (although i love those) i think it’s something more personal – like an individual – ie. a few months ago some posters on bda sux mused that someone should call revenue canada and spread lies that i was making money in bda but unreporting it on my cdn taxes – i’m thinking something in that vein”

    Like harassing people’s employers? I get it now. You mean someone has adopted your tactics.

    Props for the clarification.

  147. apart from me (black) I’m not sure anyone on here has mentioned their ethnicity.

    as for me, I’m like the Murphys…

  148. What’s the difference between a “bitter white boy” and an “angry/twisted black man” such as yourself?

  149. Now they know who Kevin’s father is, and that he too was a medical doctor in L.A. Do you think they will investigate Ewart’s medical records from L.A. to make sure he was not involved with the medical billing fraud? Apparently, the medical fraud has ties with the Russian mob. Does anyone know when Dr. E. Brown left L.A?

  150. Does anyone know when Dr. E. Brown left L.A?

    what?

    1.) that’s so racist.
    2.) he left over 15 yrs ago
    3.) a better question is whether dunkley’s drug case is somehow tied in with his deputies husbands drug case

  151. Vanz

    Why is it racist to question whether Dr. E Brown was involved in medical fraud if his son was. Very far reaching I will agree, but why is it racist. It can only be racist if the intention was based upon race, which you have no clue of.

    I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but that one really took the cake! If you had said it was stupid to say that, or ignorant, then fine – but trying to call it racist demeans the term racist. If that is a racist comment, then everyone one is, including you!

    You will never learn, will you.

    Pitts Bay

  152. Wow, wow, wow! That had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!!!!!! I was just simply asking if you think they will have a look at his records too. I would have asked this question regardless of someone’s race!!! By accusing someone online of being racist without having any merit, you are actually doing a disservice to the cause. And I DID NOT accuse him of doing what his son did, and did not even speculate, but simply asked a question.

  153. I doubt they’ll look at anything to do with the Premier unless it crops up as part of this immediate investigation. After all, do they go investigating the parents of accused criminals generally? I think not.

  154. No they generally don’t, however it is a medical billing fraud ring, so I would think that several doctors are going to be part of that particular investigation.

  155. All I can say is thank the Lord that BIAW does’nt let this asshole post.

    Every other blog/forum he and his mothers divide is there, supported by Government and Cabinet.

    I imagine free speach is view diferantly as can be seen by the divide that this idiot is being paid for.

    I need a rum……………………..

  156. I don’t think Vanz believes most of what he posts online. He’s just having fun trying to get a rise out of people by writing deliberately outrageous stuff. He’s pretty good at it too, judging by the number of people who take his bait.

    So don’t let him make you mad. Ignore him, or show him you recognise what he’s doing by posting an equally outrageous response.

  157. Thats true too some extent Phillip but just remember you just rose to it too.

    Then again, I am known for silliness but that is me. I love a laugh but to ‘model’ his performances would create more off topic dicussion.

    Gotta run………………..

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